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    I知 genuinely struggling

    Posted by Tasty Geezer on 8/6/2019, 14:27:39

    If there was a general election in August I don稚 know which way I would vote. I am a Tory by nature but have voted Labour (once) in the past. I would seriously struggle to vote for Johnson or Gove. One is a buffoon and the other a snake.

    But

    The alternative scares the sh1t out of me.

    Under Corbyn and Abbott I can see us going bankrupt (even more) in the not too distant future. A bit too far left for me.

    My grandad gave his life. My dad fought as well for us to have the right to vote, so no voting is not an option. (Neither is a protest vote). I hate modern politics I really do.

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      Posted by Farhat on 8/6/2019, 21:52:49, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

      Green.

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        Posted by bon on 8/6/2019, 17:58:45, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

        Don't vote at all.

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          Posted by Dianne Why on 8/6/2019, 17:06:57, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

          140,000 deaths directly linked to Conservative austerity ideology

          But Corbyn is the bogeyman

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            Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 17:18:05, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

            That's probably true.

            In which case why did the last Labour manifesto promise to keep 70% of Tory benefit cuts? Why was their last manifesto less progressive in terms of benefits and tax than the Lib Dems?

            If you want a progressive party Labour's manifesto isn't as progressive or offering a real change as much as some other parties are

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              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:27:20, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

              The current manifesto says that they would "immediately" :

              Scrap the punitive sanctions regime
              Scrap the Bedroom Tax
              Reinstate Housing Benefit for under-21s
              Scrap cuts to Bereavement Support Payment.

              Then they would then reform re-design UC to be fairer. Not sure that you can calculate a percentage from that because it doesn't detail what the reform will contain exactly.

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            Posted by bbb on 8/6/2019, 17:12:56, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

            PROVE IT.

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            Posted by Noddy on 8/6/2019, 16:17:19, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

            Perhaps the best thing to do then is look at the personalities of the people who wish to become your constituency MP. Which of them would you trust the most to put the interests of their constituents above their own political career.

            Our politicians are rubbish because we elect chimpanzees in the right colour rosette rather than picking the best people to be there.

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              Posted by Frank Ricard on 8/6/2019, 16:48:28, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

              Spot on...

              If we actually elected people based on what they say and do rather than the party we might get something better than the shower of shit we have in politics at the moment

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              Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 14:36:59, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

              it's a bit like being asked to vote on if you would prefer money or buckle to manage Luton?

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                Posted by J in C on 8/6/2019, 14:31:29, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

                Corbyn would be a breath of fresh air- our money is there to be spent-its just what it gets spent on-Corbyns ideas of spending are well documented and considered to be pretty good

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                  Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 8/6/2019, 15:35:03, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                  That is exactly where the far left always go wrong, they assume there is one cake and it痴 about how you distribute it. Truth of course is that the size of the cake will vary greatly depending on economic growth, driven by how well businesses do. I fear under Corbin we値l have a scone to divvy up

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                    Posted by J in C on 8/6/2019, 18:14:03, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                    Economic growth must be in good shape, if we can afford to let tax avoiders go free, afford Nukes and cough up billions to improve the house of commons-its all about priorities= I suggest Corbyn has his priorities in order.

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                      Posted by M.A.T. on 8/6/2019, 20:49:57, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                      Problem is it won't be the rich or businesses that will pay, as they will find loopholes. It will the bloke in the street who has worked hard and pulled himself up, been prudent and saved. In short, the upper working or lower middle class that will get clobbered, which is why, whilst socialist by heart, my head says dont vote Labour.

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                        Posted by Captain Andrea Sparklet on 8/6/2019, 19:32:54, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                        Re: I知 genuinely struggling

                        Posted by Eric on 8/6/2019, 17:59:05, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                        Cake ? Ffs. Are you David Brent ? We live in an unfair society that shits on the poor and vulnerable but yay keep on spouting crap mate.

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                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 16:29:03, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                          And that differs from the Tories I guess in that you know that no matter how big the cake is they will have eaten it well before the rest of us get to even know how big it was!

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                            Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 16:11:17, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                            Corbyn is not far left FFS

                            he is just left.

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                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 16:15:17, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                              Quite.
                              His policies are not that different from Harold McMillan's.

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                              Posted by Abbott on 8/6/2019, 16:10:11, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                              Yep.

                              May has been awful, but the prospect of Corbyn as PM

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                                Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 16:13:49, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                let's elect any old dickhesd cos they're not Corbyn.

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                                  Posted by The Questioner on 8/6/2019, 22:05:17, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                  Eastie , who would you have as prime minister ?

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                                    Posted by anon on 8/6/2019, 17:04:22, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                    Do you earn above average wage (」26K)?
                                    Do you have a house with a garden?
                                    Do you save into a works pension?

                                    If you have one or all of these don't vote for Corbyn

                                    He will tax all you earn above 」26K at at least 50 p in the pound
                                    He is planning to significantly increase Council tax if your house has land (a garden)
                                    He will have to rob private pensions to fund the ridiculous spending promises he will make
                                    The pound will plummet
                                    Business will bailout of UK like rats deserting etc etc

                                    Not my view but that of many economists both in UK and abroad

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                                      Posted by The Questioner on 9/6/2019, 8:32:14, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                      Sorry that was a bit rude - my point was you can窶冲 prove what certain policies will achieve . Not sure many understood that voting leave would leave us in such a ridiculous mess 3 years on .

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                                        Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 19:43:00, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                        Er..

                                        No he won稚.
                                        Prove it.
                                        How will he rob private pensions?

                                        Good effort with the project fear stuff though.


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                                          Posted by The Questioner on 8/6/2019, 22:07:11, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                          Don窶冲 be a dick , how can you prove the future .

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                                            Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 23:59:19, in reply to "Re: Iソスm genuinely struggling "

                                            Eh?

                                            He痴 asserted that those things will happen.

                                            Shouldn稚 there be evidence supporting those assertions for them to carry any weight at all?

                                            Or can you simply hide behind not being able to 菟rove the future and claim all sorts of bollocks will happen?

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                                          Posted by Eric on 8/6/2019, 18:00:49, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                          lunatic who is not worth posing a response.

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                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 17:18:51, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                            Bollocks

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                                            Posted by Indie on 8/6/2019, 16:24:09, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                            That's my vote.

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                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:00:14, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                              You must be delighted at the cornucopia of riches that the Tory party are offering up for selection then.

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                                              Posted by Abbott on 8/6/2019, 16:18:08, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                              Is that what I said?

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                                            Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 15:41:02, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                            So is there one cake or not?

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                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 15:39:35, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                              Why is that?

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                                                Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 8/6/2019, 16:45:24, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                Raising corporatepion tax to higher levels has been shown consistently not to increase tax take, it will though I知 sure persuade companies to move, changing domicile is not as easy as it used to be. Nationalising companies at below open market value will deter investment, I certainly wouldn稚 spend time and money developing a business if I thought the state would pinch it off me

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                                                  Posted by Eric on 8/6/2019, 18:11:04, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                  Name a country that has raised corp tax and failed ? Please.

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                                                    Posted by The Questioner on 8/6/2019, 22:11:10, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                    Name one that hasn窶冲 . Eric I am sure it窶冱 all good in the land you live and one day we will all be equal but the reason a small island with #### all people can attract huge multinational companies is because they pay very little corporation tax ...yep ROI ... it窶冱 not rocket science fella .

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                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 16:53:38, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                    He's talking about taking energy, rail and water back into public ownership, not a chicken and chips shop.

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                                                      Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 8/6/2019, 17:41:10, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                      John McDonnell came out with the 菟rofits should go to taxpayers, not shareholders line, a ma district view, and if you carry the argument on it then relates to every business making a profit, surely?

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                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 17:46:15, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                        I'm pretty certain he was referring to utilities, not manufacturing.

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                                                          Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 8/6/2019, 18:01:36, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                          Corbyn has in the past viewed Venezuela as an example of how a socialist economy should work, and they didn稚 stop with utilities by any stretch. Proof of the pudding is in the eating I guess but I have grave concerns. It痴 a great shame because I壇 like to vote for a competent centre left party

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                                              Posted by Eric on 8/6/2019, 14:31:21, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

                                              Glad you mention bankrupt. Have you seen the record levels of bankruptcy we have now and the projected figures to come. I'm afraid the time to be scared has come and gone so fret no more.

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                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 14:29:16, in reply to "I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                What policies of Labour's do you think would make us bankrupt?

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                                                  Posted by The Questioner on 8/6/2019, 22:19:08, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                  So in Corbyn /McDonnell laa laa land we spend significantly more on public services and nationalise certain sectors. That equals #### loads of money .
                                                  However we aren窶冲 stupid so we raise taxes for all those rich wankers and fat corporates to pay for if .
                                                  For #### sake those rich wankers and fat corporates have all ####ed off so now we don窶冲 have enough money to pay for the above but we can borrow ...oh #### we are bankrupt . Not difficult to understand really , you just need to either have been around under a Wilson government or read about it .

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                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 22:21:30, in reply to "Re: Iソスm genuinely struggling "

                                                    The Conservatives have borrowed more than the last Labour government.

                                                    Look it up.

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                                                      Posted by The Questioner on 8/6/2019, 22:38:02, in reply to "Re: Iソスm genuinely struggling "

                                                      I don窶冲 need to . However what you should try to understand is what the difference is between assets and liabilities or slightly more complicated GDP . It窶冱 moved 6% since 2010 ( dealing with the financial crisis ) , compare that to other countries and talk to me about government debt .......

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                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 23:14:42, in reply to "Re: Iソスm genuinely struggling "

                                                        What about all the money they've wasted on preparing for a no-deal Brexit, then scrapping the idea, ferry companies with no ships, etc.

                                                        They are the most incompetent government ever, so don't try to blind me with science.

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                                                          Posted by The Questioner on 9/6/2019, 8:24:31, in reply to "Re: Iソスm genuinely struggling "

                                                          Totally agree the last 3 years have been a disaster in terms of the waste of politicians time and tax payers money . The fact we are in a reasonable economic position compared to most of the world despite the last three years probably suggests we are better off without any politicians ....沽を沽
                                                          It窶冱 not science it窶冱 economics which in my view if you don窶冲 get right then we can窶冲 pay for all the things we want .Education, NHS , police , fireman , social services etc etc

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                                                    Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 14:35:41, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                    free healthcare instead of flogging it off to the US?

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                                                      Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 14:30:18, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                      Leaving the EU.

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                                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 14:53:06, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                        That's a Labour policy?

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                                                          Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 15:02:30, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                          Yes, it is.

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                                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 15:06:28, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                            Yes, they have a policy to respect the referendum result, something I disagree with but in a much more sensible way to thje car crash Tory approach I think it's fair to say.

                                                            But the point is that the OP is suggesting that Labour would bankrupt us while the Tories would not.

                                                            So, a more sensible approach to Brexit wouldn't explain that.

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                                                              Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 15:15:08, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                              I知 not sure where it痴 become a question of comparative levels of bankruptcy.

                                                              Your original question (which I was replying to) was pretty straightforward.

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                                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 15:32:23, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                Well yes which is why I clarified it before you replied.

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                                                                  Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 15:33:44, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                  What difference does adding the word specific make?

                                                                  Leaving the EU is a specific Labour policy.

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                                                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 15:37:22, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                    As in it's not specific to Labour and it's not a specific reason why the original poster differentiated between Labour and the Tories about bankruptcy.

                                                                    So if it wasn't clear, sorry. Hopefully it is now.

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                                                                      Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 15:39:25, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                      Ah understood.

                                                                      It痴 nevertheless a labour policy that will make is bankrupt, imo.

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                                                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 15:42:40, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                        Yes, I got that

                                                                        But as EE suggested, if someone else who fits the currently awful cardboard cutout politician type people tend to expect fronted the set of Labour policies there would be a lot more sensible discussion about them.

                                                                        Problem is, none of them seem to have the balls or decency to do it.

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                                                                          Posted by Journeyman on 8/6/2019, 15:48:21, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                          That痴 Corbyn痴 fault isn稚 it though?

                                                                          His muddled and contradictory stance on anti semitism, Brexit and several other issues has clouded his message and made him unelectable.

                                                                          It痴 not that no one else has the balls or decency to be the leader, it痴 that he痴 entrenched in the position and can稚 be shifted because of the far left idiots who have taken over the party.

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                                                                            Posted by Abbott on 8/6/2019, 16:26:41, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                            Spot on.

                                                                            Labour isn't the problem, Corbyn and his cronies are.

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                                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 16:04:46, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                              Well there I don't quite agree entirely and I'm not saying that no-one else has what it takes to want to be leader, half of them would probably sacrifice grandmothers etc to be the leader. But how many of them would stand up to those policies rather than slinking back towards being "New" Labour again?

                                                                              And yes partly Corbyn's fault, he doesn't play the game in terms of modern political communication that's for sure. Too often he tries to give answers of substance rather than soundbites which doesn't fit well. It's why he's better in front of a crowd of people than on the TV News.

                                                                              But is that an issue with Corbyn or with how politicians have to communicate these days . . .

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                                                                                Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 16:59:08, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                I think that's being kind.

                                                                                I don't think Corbyn has given any substance to a lot of important issues. What's his stance on Brexit? It's a mess, hidden by vague soundbites and a New Labour attempt to triangulate a position to pretend to respect a result.

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                                                                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:04:55, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                  Well being kind isn't a crime you know.

                                                                                  But what I said is largely true in any case. You only have to look at what he's actually said on a number of issues and the soundbite headlines that people have leapt on to ridicule him wrongly.

                                                                                  On Brexit I think he's got it wrong but he's far from alone. The only traditional party that's really been clear is the Lib Dems who chose Remain in the belief that they had far more new support to gain than old support to lose in doing so.

                                                                                  Neither Labour nor the Tories have had that luxury.

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                                                                                    Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 17:15:14, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                    Which examples you are thinking off specifically where you feel he's been misquoted?

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                                                                                      Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:18:33, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                      Not misquoted as such but two examples that spring to mind is the reaction to what he said about authorising lethal force in terrorist situations and maybe more trivial but just as indicative the suggestion that he supported all-female train carriages.

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                                                                                        Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 17:26:35, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                        It doesn't really seem any different to what any other party leader has suffered

                                                                                        People said Cameron had sex with a pig and Miliband was ridiculed because of an unfortunate picture of him eating a sandwich.

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                                                                                          Posted by Captain Right On on 8/6/2019, 17:29:57, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                          Both pork(ing)-related incidents.
                                                                                          Coincidence? I think not!

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                                                                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:28:45, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                            Doesn't seem any different?

                                                                                            I think it's been far more persistent and widespread for Corbyn personally.

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                                                                                              Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 17:44:31, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                              Yeah, mispresenting what you said on offering a consultation on female only carriages is like when someone says you had sex with a dead pig's head

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                                                                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:53:41, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                Poorly thought out cheap shot there picking two examples at the opposite ends of the scale especially after I described that example as "more trivial".

                                                                                                But the pig thing isn't his views being misrepresented.

                                                                                                It was reported as allegations of an anecdote which as far as I know is all it ever was. I've never given it much credence myself.

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                                                                                                  Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 17:50:37, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                  I was being deliberately facetious there so I apologise for that.

                                                                                                  I do agree Labour have a hardee time than their Tory counterparts re press representation. I don't agree however that Corbyn necessarily has it worse than any other Labour leader has previously

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                                                                                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:54:18, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                    In that case ignore the grumpiness of my reply

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                                                                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 17:20:46, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                              Excuse me, I think it would be a brilliant idea to bring back ladies' carriages and waiting rooms.

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                                                                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:22:44, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                Difficult to see how that would fit in today's diverse world but the point wasn't the merits or otherwise of the idea rather the disparity between what he said and some of the headlines.

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                                                                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 17:48:14, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                  PS I should have said as long as the use is voluntary.

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                                                                                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 17:55:04, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                    Would men get the choice to use male only facilities too?

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                                                                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 18:02:55, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                      Do men get worried that they are going to be attacked by random women if they're the only man in an enclosed space?

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                                                                                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 18:35:34, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                        No, some of us just live in hope

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                                                                                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 18:41:53, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                          How did I know your response would take that path?

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                                                                                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 18:45:14, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                            Well, in fairness I don't agree the answer is to keep women and men apart. Modern carriage design has already made a world of difference along with CCTV.

                                                                                                            Do you really think that even the majority of men would feel safe in one of those old carriages if stuck in one with a stranger or two that appeared aggressive though?

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                                                                                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 18:59:06, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                              Yes, I agree about the carriage design and CCTV, the old compartments were a bit dodgy.

                                                                                                              It's still more unlikely statistically for a man to be attacked by a group of strange women than for a woman to be attacked by one or more men.

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                                                                                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 19:01:09, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                                Is it really? I wouldn't have guessed that at all.

                                                                                                                But it doesn't really matter which is the most likely does it? The fact that both happen is the key surely.

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                                                                                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 19:03:27, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                                  Yes.

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                                                                                                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 19:08:03, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                                    Do you have a source for that?

                                                                                                                    I understood that men suffer approximately twice as many violent attacks as women.

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                                                                                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 19:19:55, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                                      Yes, men (especially young ones) are more likely to be victims of an attack.
                                                                                                                      I meant the likelihood of a man being attacked by a group of women, which I think is less than the other way round.
                                                                                                                      Or maybe it's just the ingrained fear in women of the possibility.
                                                                                                                      It's a bit difficult to explain.

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                                                                                                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 19:36:02, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                                        Oh yes, I'd imagine it's definitely much rarer for a man to be attacked by a group of women, though I'd bet fair even that was on the increase.

                                                                                                                        I think though it is a serious concern that often the impact on men is not given as much attention as it deserves.

                                                                                                                        I was astonished to see a stat though that suggested as many as 7% of women were subject to domestice violence in a year. I was even more surprised to see a figure of 5% for men. It was from 2012 if memory serves.

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                                                                                                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 21:49:20, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                                          That's not surprising.
                                                                                                                          Sorry for the late reply, my sister-in-law facetimed for a chat.


                                                                                                                          I think what I'm trying to say is
                                                                                                                          Imagine you're walking down a street late at night and you see a group of girls hanging about (and it's not High Town).

                                                                                                                          Would they worry you?

                                                                                                                          Then imagine my feelings in the same scenario with a group of lads.

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                                                                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 8/6/2019, 17:24:28, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                                    Ok.

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                                                                                Posted by The Outsider on 8/6/2019, 15:34:58, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                I think that the amendment was to Labour-specific rather than specific Labour

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                                                                            Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 15:13:23, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                            Basically if you has Labours policies fronted up by someone who is not Corbyn, Labour would win.

                                                                            Boris is a lying tosser and Farage is a nob.

                                                                            unfortunately Jeremy is a twat.

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                                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 15:31:45, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                              Those policies are largely down to Corbyn though.

                                                                              None of the Blairites for example would have proposed many of them.

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                                                                                Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 16:09:59, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                true.

                                                                                Peterborough was a bit mad.

                                                                                it was basically a bad result for Labour, Tories, Libs and Brexit Party.

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                                                                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 16:26:07, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                  Eh?

                                                                                  I think Labour hanging on to it given everything that had been going on and the truly pathetic previous incumbent they'd had in there made it an excellent result for Labour.

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                                                                                    Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 16:31:33, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                    not so sure.

                                                                                    Probably less bad result for them than most of other parties but they threw everything at it and just about held on.

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                                                                                      Posted by The Outsider on 8/6/2019, 16:46:37, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                      It was a strange scenario.

                                                                                      Labour held on because the Conservative vote held up better than expected. If the Conservatives had fallen away as badly as predicted, the Brexit party would have won easily.

                                                                                      It was, effectively, the case that a vote for the Conservatives was a vote for Labour !

                                                                                      Overall, it was probably a worse result for the Lib Dems than for any of the others despite the big fall for both Labour and Conservatives.

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                                                                                        Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2019, 17:33:44, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                        but according to stats I reckon that was the 2nd worst Tory by election result in history in terms of percentage of swing against them.

                                                                                        Minus 25.5 per cent swing against Tories.

                                                                                        When they lost Clacton to Carswell is the ibkt time I can recall bigger by election swing against them.

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                                                                                          Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 16:56:59, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                          Lib Dem had a 12% increase in their share of the vote

                                                                                          They were never going to win that seat

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                                                                                            Posted by The Outsider on 8/6/2019, 17:03:30, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                            I would think that they would have expected to take a larger number of votes from disgruntled Labour and Conservatives who didn稚 want to vote for the Brexit party.

                                                                                            Maybe all of the four parties could be said to have had a good or bad result depending on how you want to look at things.

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                                                                                              Posted by HH on 8/6/2019, 17:11:38, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                                              True

                                                                                              I don't think it tells us an awful lot to be honest. It's as you were

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                                                                                Posted by Mark on 8/6/2019, 15:12:31, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

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                                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 8/6/2019, 14:56:33, in reply to "Re: I知 genuinely struggling "

                                                                              Oops, there's a "-specific" missing in that question

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