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    Spot on

    Posted by J in C on 11/5/2019, 13:22:45

    Just been told by a UKIP type that I don't understand the white working class concerns.

    I live in a council house in the East Midlands. I'm a Labour member. I'm a union member. I work long hard hours and make sweet #### all. My mum was a cleaner and my dad was a groundsman at a stately home. I never went to university because I was too busy trying to negotiate the drug epidemic that plagued ex-pit towns after the Tories destroyed them. Oh yeah, and I'm from white Anglo-Saxon Protestant stock on both sides of the family. That's pretty ####ing quintessentially white working class. Am I proud of it? Not really. It's just stuff that happened to me for the most part. I'd much rather have been born in Kensington and called Herbert Fotherington-Smythe III, Viscount of West Surrey. I probably wouldn't have spent my thirteenth Christmas watching my mam burn ####ing shoes because we couldn't afford to pay the coalman. But that would have made me a different person so I am glad in a way that I come from where I do.

    Anyway. Back to the point. This UKIP fella. I understand white working class concerns perfectly, because they ####ing keep me awake til 3 in the god damn morning, worrying whether I'll get paid on time and in full this week, and how I'll pay the bank charges if I can't cover my financial obligations. Or wondering, not if I'll ever own my own home because I know I won't, but whether my kids will. Or whether my parents will suffer if the NHS goes or social care collapses even further.

    Where myself and the UKIP guy differ is in the apportion of blame and the method of tackling those issues. The UKIP fella seems to think the white working class is very important, specifically the white part. I don't. I think the working class is the working class regardless of skin colour. He wants to get rid of the brown people, like that's magically going to fix the housing market, and exploitation of labour by capital, and the NHS, and make the ####ing trains cheaper. To this end, he votes UKIP or Tory, whose policies are responsible for all of the above and more. He's that blinded by skin colour that he will literally vote for the very people who are causing the problems he rails against. Does he think that Jacob Rees-Mogg or Nigel Farage give a #### about him because he's white? Does he honestly believe that landed gentry and stockbrokers care about him in any way other than how they can exploit him?

    They don't. They don't give a #### about any of us, black, white, brown, hell, even if we were purple they wouldn't give a shit beyond seeing how much they could extract from our labour without lifting a finger themselves. I have more in common with a Jamaican born brickie than I do with Jacob Rees-Mogg. I'm closer to a Polish hotel maid than Nigel Farage. All this anti-immigration, anti-foreigner shite is doing is dividing the international working class when we should be united against the bastards who lord it over us.

    If you're tempted to blame immigrants for any of the ills facing the white segment of Britain's working class, ask yourself: "Who has the power in this situation?"

    Did Magda set the national minimum wage at a level that is so inadequate that a 40hr week isn't enough to pay for both rent and food without top up benefits?

    Did Sadiq refuse to impose rent controls on a rental market that is spiralling out of control?

    Is Kemal responsible for cutting police budgets by billions, leaving us with 20,000 less police officers than ten years ago?

    Has Nguyen chronically underfunded the NHS year in, year out for almost a decade?

    The answer's no.

    Then the question is "Well who did?"

    And there's only one answer to that.

      Re: Spot on

      Posted by Andy Cappucino on 11/5/2019, 17:40:32, in reply to "Spot on"

      Entitled to your view but there are plenty of white working class people who have a very different one. Mass immigration has not benefited them hence why they turn to UKIP as the other parties are not interested in their plight

        Re: Spot on

        Posted by Terry in the Office on 11/5/2019, 13:39:41, in reply to "Spot on"

        Well, what is the answer ?

          Re: Spot on

          Posted by Obviously on 11/5/2019, 13:59:48, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

          Encourage population growth in the UK to over 100 million, and go again from there..

            Re: Spot on

            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 14:05:20, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

            Idiot

              Re: Spot on

              Posted by Obviously on 11/5/2019, 14:08:17, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

              67 million already, we can do it! Unless you think there's different optimum level?

                Re: Spot on

                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 11/5/2019, 14:12:11, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                The optimum level, as it would be across most of the globe, would be "A lot less than we have now".

                  Re: Spot on

                  Posted by Godboy on 11/5/2019, 15:51:37, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                  World war 3...

                    Re: Spot on

                    Posted by tu on 11/5/2019, 16:04:08, in reply to "Re: Spot on"


                    China v India is bubbling away. Border disputes and ethnic mixes in both China and India, would be my expectation.

                      Re: Spot on

                      Posted by Godders on 11/5/2019, 15:53:25, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                      seriously??????

                        Re: Spot on

                        Posted by Godboy on 11/5/2019, 16:52:40, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                        Stupid suggestion, innit

                          Re: Spot on

                          Posted by Godders on 11/5/2019, 17:10:49, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                          As stupid as trying to imposter me?

                            Re: Spot on

                            Posted by Godboy on 11/5/2019, 17:34:03, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                            Says the person pretending to be me

                      Re: Spot on

                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 14:19:35, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                      That's as maybe, but who is going to staff the NHS, pick the fruit and vegetables and look after the elderly in care homes if you kick out all the foreigners?

                        Re: Spot on

                        Posted by Father ted on 12/5/2019, 19:33:06, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                        How about training British people to do these jobs and pay a fair living wage for their troubles.

                          Re: Spot on

                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 11/5/2019, 14:27:10, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                          Just to be clear . . . I was not for a moment talking about kicking out foreigners . . .

                          I'm just saying that we are well above any optimum number of people across the globe and as a result the problems you mention while weighty to us are in actuality trivial compared to what's happening with the climate.

                            Re: Spot on

                            Posted by Obviously on 11/5/2019, 14:39:08, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                            There's another 2.3 billion growth on world population by 2050, with another 2 billion on top by the end of the century. There will probably be a big demo about that to raise awareness sometime soon!

                              Re: Spot on

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 14:42:39, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                              Projected, not actual.

                                Re: Spot on

                                Posted by Obviously on 11/5/2019, 14:46:42, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                Indeed, could be +/-10%, so at lower end just a composite 50% increase on current levels. But that's the median line of trajectory established for some time now.

                                  Re: Spot on

                                  Posted by tu on 11/5/2019, 15:53:54, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                  2.5 billion people in 1950
                                  8 billion around 2021
                                  It took 100,000 years to reach 1 billion in 1800 ish.
                                  Twats like nag dont understand population growth is the biggest reason for pollution. Full stop.

                                    Re: Spot on

                                    Posted by incider watch on 11/5/2019, 16:37:25, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                    What a wanker.

                                      Re: Spot on

                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 16:15:44, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                      Really?
                                      You don't think the use of coal and oil has more weight?

                                      And if you want to reduce population growth, the best way is to ensure that poor people in third world countries firstly have access to clean water and health care, then proper jobs with good wages, then reliable contraception so they don't think they have to have large numbers of children to ensure that two or three survive to care for and support them (the parents) in old age.

                                        Re: Spot on

                                        Posted by Terry in the Office on 11/5/2019, 16:38:50, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                        That was the same rubbish spouted by thick lefties 30/40 years ago in this country about why certain groups of immigrants had far larger families than the host nation.
                                        It was wrong then and it's wrong now,do you never learn anything ?

                                          Re: Spot on

                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 16:47:46, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                          I'm talking about people in the third world countries, who if they had a decent standard of living, wouldn't want or need to come here. Or is that too hard for your little bigoted brain to understand?

                                          Re: Spot on

                                          Posted by tu on 11/5/2019, 16:37:48, in reply to "Re: Spot on"


                                          Yes you improve their lives, you give them a pension so they dont need 20 children ! You live a very simplistic life, you better let your german masters do the thinking for you ! More people ALWAYS means more pollution, you need feeding, heating and cooling, healthcare and jobs. Why cant you see more people is more pollution despite "cleaner" industry/travel and jobs ?

                                            Re: Spot on

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 16:45:57, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                            And why can't you see that there is less pollution from coal now, which is helping a lot.

                                              Re: Spot on

                                              Posted by tu on 11/5/2019, 17:39:14, in reply to "Re: Spot on"


                                              in this country, yes. But China , India and most other developing countries us far more than europe ever did !

                                              The wests population is not growing (immigration is the growth). So 800 million people are producing less, the 7.2 billion in the rest of the world are producing 90% of the pollution !
                                              I wish the world bank would create pension schemes for all, instead of bailing out billionaires who happen to run countries badly.
                                              Wont happen though....

                                  Re: Spot on

                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 14:31:50, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                                  Yes, I agree with that.

                        Re: Spot on

                        Posted by J in C on 11/5/2019, 13:48:22, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                        I think he answered the Ukippers comment

                          Re: Spot on

                          Posted by The Questioner on 11/5/2019, 22:46:24, in reply to "Re: Spot on"

                          What do you think ?

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