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    On this day in 1985

    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 9:43:29

    56 people went to watch a football match at Bradford, and never came home.
    RIP.

      Re: On this day in 1985

      Posted by Bilko on 11/5/2019, 14:38:15, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

      Just had 56 seconds silence at the rugby league game.
      Well observed

        Re: On this day in 1985

        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 14:43:17, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

        That's really nice.

        Re: On this day in 1985

        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 11/5/2019, 11:41:09, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

        RIP each and every one of them.

          Re: On this day in 1985

          Posted by scumhater on 11/5/2019, 10:37:42, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

          Not forgetting the 14 year old Leeds fan killed by a collapsing wall the same day at St Andrews Birmingham, as both sets of fans clashed.

            Re: On this day in 1985

            Posted by hatters1988 on 11/5/2019, 10:26:06, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

            I am aware its not a competition, but it really does pi55 me off that this doesn't really get the remembrance that it should. Having just looked on the bbc website there is nothing.

            May their families get through the day as best they can.

              Re: On this day in 1985

              Posted by EastEnder on 11/5/2019, 11:34:46, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

              To an extent I think they want to mourn in private. They don't necessarily want a lot of media coverage each year.

              They know that all football fans of that era remember and think of them today.

                Re: On this day in 1985

                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/5/2019, 10:28:44, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                Yes, it does tend to get overshadowed.

                  Re: On this day in 1985

                  Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 10:52:25, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                  Agreed.

                  I know many like to knock the scousers (and I do too, for many, many things) but the people of Bradford could have done with the absolute determination of that group who have fought for justice over Hillsborough - it takes a special sort of person to dedicate so much to the fight, and Bradford hasn't had so many like that. So it has been conveniently shunted to one side in the main.

                Re: On this day in 1985

                Posted by HHH on 11/5/2019, 10:24:39, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

                So sad,R I P

                  Re: On this day in 1985

                  Posted by Acton Hatter on 11/5/2019, 10:23:42, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

                  Tragic

                  Also still needs proper investigation - I think it was part of an insurance scam on part of the then owner

                    Re: On this day in 1985

                    Posted by EastEnder on 11/5/2019, 11:18:51, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11598546/Police-identify-Australian-man-whose-dropped-cigarette-started-the-Bradford-City-fire.html

                      Re: On this day in 1985

                      Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 10:43:02, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                      Stafford Heginbotham. 8 fires in 18 years at his businesses leading to big insurance payouts should certainly have led to some in depth investigation at the inquiry. But didn't.

                      The stand had been condemned and was due to be demolished too...hmmm.

                      Fire escapes padlocked shut and the build up of rubbish was pure neglect though. Thank heavens there weren't fences in front of it or it would have been even more horrific.

                        Re: On this day in 1985

                        Posted by EastEnder on 11/5/2019, 11:11:35, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                        If he was going to burn down the stand for insurance scam though, why would he do it when it was full of fans of his own club?

                        Surely he would do it on a Thu night when there was noone in the ground? The payout would be the same.

                          Re: On this day in 1985

                          Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 11:19:44, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                          I'm not suggesting for a moment that he may have burnt down the stand himself, or planned for it to have burnt during the game.

                          But...he was responsible for the condition of it, wasn't he? And it was a tinderbox. Due for demolition within days. With his track record, maybe a fire was planned within that timespan? Surely should have been investigated.....

                          Paul Foot, the journalist, certainly thought so.

                            Re: On this day in 1985

                            Posted by EastEnder on 11/5/2019, 11:21:58, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                            Yep that was really in reply to AH who suggested SH was behind it.

                              Re: On this day in 1985

                              Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 11:36:51, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                              I'm suggesting that in a sense he may have been.

                              But that he was an arsonist, for money, not a mass murderer: the conditions were right for a big fire and he was responsible for those conditions. A big payout would have paid for the new stand...which he didn't have the money for.

                              Have a look at his Wikipedia entry (I know!)

                                Re: On this day in 1985

                                Posted by EastEnder on 11/5/2019, 11:40:52, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                                Yeah it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had plans for it, but looks likes someone accidentally beat him to it that Sat.

                                  Re: On this day in 1985

                                  Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 12:01:17, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                                  But that would still make him criminally culpable.

                      Re: On this day in 1985

                      Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 10:23:00, in reply to "On this day in 1985"

                      RIP indeed.

                      Such an awful, entirely preventable event. Watching that unfold live on television is something which will stay with me forever, heaven knows what effect it has had on the people of Bradford.

                      And another cover up of course, of those guilty of criminal neglect.

                        Re: On this day in 1985

                        Posted by Laststraw on 11/5/2019, 12:13:20, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                        Yes I remember it vividly too, our recent fixture there was my first time at Valley Parade and I thought about the horror events of 35 years ago. RIP.

                          Re: On this day in 1985

                          Posted by Peter Griffin on 11/5/2019, 10:44:27, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                          And Lincoln Crumps, I believe 2 of the 56 were Lincoln fans plus having to watch that unfold live at the ground not being able to do anything must be gut wrenching

                            Re: On this day in 1985

                            Posted by EastEnder on 11/5/2019, 11:21:08, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                            I don't think some of the fans realized people were trapped - if you watch the footage, although it's pretty harrowing the younger Bradford fans are dancing around on the pitch singing as it unfolds.

                            They would have assumed people would have escaped out of the rear exits, but they were padlocked to stop people getting in for free and with no attendants to open them in an emergency.

                              Re: On this day in 1985

                              Posted by crumpsall on 11/5/2019, 10:54:54, in reply to "Re: On this day in 1985"

                              Absolutely PG. They have a stand named after them at Sincil Bank.

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