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    Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

    Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 16:09:46
    94.174.221.243

    Article from The Times article about GM decision on Luton plant and Brexit.

    Doesn't sound entirely promising






      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

      Posted by Desperate Dan on 13/9/2017, 18:18:49, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
      176.249.18.254

      IBC and E/Port are the most efficient plants in what was then the GM Europe portfolio.
      It is complete and utter bollocks to say that how efficient the plants are is something to be looked at they ARE and also blame it on Brexit.
      When the Vauxhall plant was forced to close it was the most profitable and efficient plant in GME, Brexit wasn't even thought of then but they still closed it.
      The French would be off their heads to close IBC and I would suspect that GM may well step in and buy it back with out the worry of having the German plants on board if the frogs go ahead and gets rid of IBC and E/Port. It is quite interesting how GM have kept hold of the pension funds and not the Germans.

        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

        Posted by A worker on 14/9/2017, 11:30:25, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
        198.208.27.74

        Interesting that at this weeks visit to Luton the PSA group stated that the quality level the van is built to is to HIGH. They commented money could be saved if the quality of build was lowered. Amazing, for years we attempted to build the highest quality vehicle attainable.

          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

          Posted by Solingen Hatter on 13/9/2017, 22:05:13, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
          80.187.109.171

          Thats all extremely naive Dan. You and I both know that GM (or PSA) would unlikely close with production moving to Germany. The Astra is already built at Gliwitz in Poland (with the exception of the estate model - I'm not sure entirely what the spacial issues might be within the Gliwitz Plant to accommodate tooling to do so plus capacity etc) though more of a concern for Ellesmere I think is the equivalent vehicle within the Peugeot range only to my eye its almost identical. As for the Vivaro - again, it might be a case of eliminating the competition. And in this vehicle's case I'd say production might more likely move to Spain where vehicles in that class are already made at Vigo.

          Regarding GM's pension liabilities my understanding of the GM/PSA deal was PSA's refusal to take it on board rather than GM's reluctance to sell - or at least that was my interpretation of the press articles that I read on the subject.

            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

            Posted by Desperate Dan on 14/9/2017, 7:52:10, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
            90.194.148.65

            decent summary
            I heard through the grapevine the issue was Germany and that GM might come back in to the future via the UK
            Agreed on Poland looking at the round

              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

              Posted by jimmyp on 14/9/2017, 8:22:32, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
              136.8.33.70

              Not to mention the fact that mere efficiency is just one factor in the overall equation that will form the business decision.

              It could easily be more cost-effective to close the most efficient plants in favour of several that run much worse but cost much more to close.

              Better hope the French company, partly owned by the French Government doesn't have spare capacity in France or, now, in Germany where it's famously expensive and legally complicated to close plants. Your best bet could well be that GM buy back something they were desperate to sell.

              Cheers, Jim

            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

            Posted by elhoggo on 13/9/2017, 19:03:13, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
            109.145.208.128

            agreed

            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 16:58:18, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
            144.160.226.95

            So Brexit might affect the last 10% of the UK workforce.

            How many of the 90% went to other EU countries I wonder.

              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

              Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 17:03:54, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
              213.205.198.82

              The problem I have though is we were continually told there wouldn't be any job losses. We hold all the cards, remember?

                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 17:41:23, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                31.51.70.57

                Where was it officially stated there wouldn't be any job losses at all?

                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:30:36, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                144.160.226.95

                You have rather dodged round the point about how many jobs we have lost to the EU.

                I know of thousands that have gone in just two companies.

                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                  Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 17:34:45, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                  217.138.48.10

                  So we wouldn't have lost any jobs to other European countries if the EU did not exist?

                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:55:24, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                    82.132.222.231

                    Another thing nobody is suggesting.

                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                      Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 17:57:51, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                      217.138.48.10

                      Why write we have lost jobs to EU countries then?

                      Why not just write we have lost jobs to other European countries?

                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 18:03:34, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                        82.132.222.231

                        OP suggests job losses due to Brexit.

                        My response questions how many lost to EU?

                        Especially as we know our money was spent to facilitate job moves out of the

                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                          Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:06:37, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                          217.138.48.10

                          Wasn't it the European Investment Bank that provided a grant to the Czech Republic?

                          Have no jobs ever been created here due to grants from the European investment Bank?

                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 18:30:17, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                            82.132.222.231

                            Why do you continue to ask questions like that? Makes no sense.

                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:33:15, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                              217.138.48.10

                              It doesn't make any sense for people to say that the EU subsidised to move jobs from one EU country to another either does it when the UK plant was failing and it was cheaper to make cars elsewhere?

                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 19:03:58, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                144.160.226.95

                                Wrong, that's a valid question.

                                I've seen thousands of IT jobs moved to the EU supported by EU grants and facilitated by those countries being in the EU.

                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:34:27, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                86.179.212.199

                                No one is on about a plant apart from you.

                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                  Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:35:53, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                  217.138.48.10

                                  Right, what are you on about then?

                                  You haven't exactly made it clear. Perhaps you could post a link.

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:37:25, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    86.179.212.199

                                    Why would there be a link when it is a not a news article it is individual agreements with companies to move jobs.

                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                      Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:39:29, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                      217.138.48.10

                                      Oh right there won't be anything written about that on the internet anywhere then?

                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:08:10, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                              217.138.48.10

                              ps and it's "are money."

                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                        Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 17:45:00, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                        86.179.212.199

                        Probably but it does not help when the eu help to finance the job moves

                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                          Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 17:54:03, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                          217.138.48.10

                          And they have never done the same to create jobs here have they?

                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                            Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:11:28, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                            86.179.212.199

                            I have not seen them subsidising jobs to move from another eu country to here no, have you?

                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:17:28, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                              217.138.48.10

                              Sounds like Ford shut a plant which was struggling anyway and the workers were down to one shift:

                              Ford, which has made Transit vans in Southampton since 1972, made the decision against a backdrop of falling sales hit a 20-year low and rising losses.

                              Its sales slumped 14.9% in Europe last month and losses are expected of £930m for 2012.

                              Just a day before it announced the closure of its factory in Genk, Belgium, with the loss of 4,300 jobs as the first stage of a restructuring plan for Europe.

                              Stephen Odell, chairman and chief executive of Ford of Europe, said: “The proposed restructuring of our European manufacturing operations is a fundamental part of our plan to strengthen Ford’s business in Europe and to return to profitable growth.”

                              Transit van production will be centred at a plant in Kocaeli, Turkey.

                              In Southampton production had fallen from 66,000 in 2008 to 28,000 last year, when the work was reduced to a single shift.

                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:22:45, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                86.179.212.199

                                No idea what point you are making in reply to the eu subsidising jobs moved from one eu country to another, moving jobs happens i am talking about the eu facilitating it.

                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                  Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:26:54, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                  217.138.48.10

                                  Didn't the jobs move to Turkey? Which isn't even in the EU?

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:26:14, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    217.138.48.10

                                    How is it moving jobs when the UK factory was failing and the workers were down to one shift?

                                    Surely they shut down a factory which was unprofitable and failing?

                                    You think if they hadn't centralised production in Turkey the UK jobs would have stayed with the workers doing one shift?

                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2017, 18:16:59, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                82.27.44.194

                                Nissan from outside Europe.

                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                  Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:24:15, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                  86.179.212.199

                                  So not moved from a eu country to here then, so the eu helping to move jobs from one eu country to another.

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:18:24, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    217.138.48.10

                                    Yep, what's the difference, eh?

                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2017, 18:19:47, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                      82.27.44.194

                                      Using are money to build a car factory in are country.
                                      It's a discrace.

                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                        Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:25:40, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                        86.179.212.199

                                        Oh dear the old remoaner lines coming out, sad but good that they lost.

                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                          Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:22:03, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                          217.138.48.10

                                          Basically Ford would have shut whether the EU existed or not or we were in/out.

                                          Vauxhall will shut or not whether the EU existed or we are in/out.

                                          People can't say Ford shut because of the EU and claim Vauxhall is nothing to do with EU membership.

                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 19:09:25, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                            144.160.226.95

                                            Who's saying that?

                                            It was the original post claiming that Brexit was causing problems for Vauxhall through the medium of that article.

                                            When even within the article exactly as you say it's clearly down to efficiency.

                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:06:27, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                            144.160.226.95

                            Who said we hold all the cards or that there would be no job losses?

                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                              Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 17:25:38, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                              94.174.221.243

                              Gove and Johnson

                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:28:30, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                144.160.226.95

                                It reminds me of when I was a kid.

                                "Well if Gove and Johnson told you it was safe to put your hands in a gas fire would you do it?"



                                Seriously we're never going to have a sensible debate if we keep referring back to those complete arses.

                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                  Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 17:37:13, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                  213.205.198.82

                                  They were involved in the campaign to leave

                                  Like it or not what they said may have hit home with some

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 18:04:57, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    82.132.222.231

                                    Granted.

                                    But you aren't stupid enough to believe that they're would be zero job losses either way.

                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                      Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 18:29:57, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                      94.174.221.243

                                      I'm not

                                      But my point is when people pointed out realistic economic worries they were dismissed as project fear whilst Vote Leave promised we would get a better deal then we currently have and It would be the easiest deal ever, with barely any economic hiccups

                                      If it transpires that their promises were a load of lies I don't believe it's unrealistic to ask for another vote once it's clear what deal we will be getting

                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 19:12:32, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                        144.160.226.95

                                        As I keep saying. You aren't going to get anywhere worrying about what Vote Leave did or did not say.

                                        Personally if given the choice I'd make it so that the vote never happened even though I do think the EU needs to be stopped.

                                        Happily if given the choice I'd do it by strangling Cameron at birth!

                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                          Posted by Teacher on 13/9/2017, 22:22:22, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                          90.195.105.76

                                          You voted FOR Brexit.

                                          You made a mistake. You don't have to keep on trying to blame others for you making a foolish decision.

                                          Event the first to vote Brexshit are having doubts now.

                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 14/9/2017, 10:12:56, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                            144.160.226.91

                                            What a spectacularly excellent way of completely misunderstanding something.

                                            Well done.

                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                            Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 19:22:08, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                            94.174.221.243

                                            I'm not worried about what they did or did not say, more the implications of their lies for the rest of us

                                            I see no benefit to the UK from benefit.

                                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                              Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 19:23:44, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                              94.174.221.243

                                              Bloody phone - 'I see no benefit to the UK from Brexit'

                                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 19:23:19, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                144.160.226.95

                                                That's a corking typo

                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                              Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 16:42:14, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                              86.179.212.199

                              Sir Nigel giving it to them again bravo

                              https://mobile.twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/907907860230754304/video/1

                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                Posted by Real Ale drinking Statto Bloke on 13/9/2017, 17:11:09, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                109.145.208.253

                                Bravo indeed

                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:17:03, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                  144.160.226.95

                                  I think it's well known I have little time for him generally.

                                  Buy he's spot on with a lot of that.

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by Real Ale drinking Statto Bloke on 13/9/2017, 17:22:13, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    109.145.208.253

                                    Yup. Thank goodness we are leaving.

                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                      Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:25:31, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                      144.160.226.95

                                      Yep, while I accept that our government is not exactly covering itself with glory to say the least the way that the EU is behaving is certainly doing nothing to convince me that it's an organisation I want to support.

                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                        Posted by Real Ale drinking Statto Bloke on 13/9/2017, 17:48:56, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                        109.145.208.253

                                        Agreed. The juvenile name calling by the EU is amusing - they can't accept we are leaving so resort to insults.

                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                          Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 17:45:52, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                          31.51.70.57

                                          +1

                                          They're showing their true colours now.

                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                            Posted by J Crew on 13/9/2017, 18:26:43, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                            86.179.212.199

                                            Sadly we will have people who will support them against their own country, shameful.

                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                  Posted by Sanity check on 13/9/2017, 16:35:59, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                  2.48.173.6

                                  Whereas no Vauxall jobs were ever lost pre-Brexit vote!

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by J in carlisle on 13/9/2017, 16:39:19, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    79.75.172.4

                                    so that makes future losses ok then

                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                    Posted by Sepp Hatter on 13/9/2017, 16:33:16, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                    86.163.54.121

                                    I work for a company supplying software into the manufacturing sector. Around 60% of our business is into the automotive industry and from what we are seeing, almost all of our customers are investing heavily and their businesses growing, partly as a result of a weaker Pound.
                                    If PSA decide to scale back in the UK, they will inevitably blame it on Brexit as a cover, irrespective of whether that's the real reason or not.

                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                      Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 16:39:24, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                      94.174.221.243

                                      Probably because the weaker pound means they're getting 15-20% better value right now because as it stands, we're still a functioning member of the EU and single market. So they get all of the benefits for less

                                      I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if any of that continues if we fail to reach an agreement or, as I fear, walk away from the negotiating table

                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                        Posted by Sepp Hatter on 13/9/2017, 16:44:26, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                        86.163.54.121

                                        Understood, however the investments being made are not being undertaken with a short term (2-5 year) timescale in mind. These companies are showing a level of confidence which runs beyond the actual date of Brexit. Our aerospace customers are also seeing strong growth on the back of packets of work returning from former LCC's such as India and being aerospace, these are 5-10+ year agreements.

                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                      Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 16:26:09, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                      31.51.70.57

                                      Good to see they've referenced stuff from 5 years before the referendum.

                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                        Posted by bbb on 13/9/2017, 16:23:58, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                        90.210.117.130

                                        So it might not be great but it might all be good then.

                                        You could easily replace 'Doesn't sound entirely promising' with 'sounds like they've got a plan. This could work well'

                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                          Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 16:26:21, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                          94.174.221.243

                                          Yeah, it's great news that Brexit is impacting whether the Luton factory remains open

                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                            Posted by bbb on 13/9/2017, 16:32:33, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                            90.210.117.130

                                            Nope. It'd be absolutely wank if anybody lost their jobs but factories have been shutting for years and years. A long time before Brexit was even an idea.

                                            Sounds like they've got plans for every different scenario though so that can be seen as a good thing I suppose.

                                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 17:37:32, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                              217.138.48.10

                                              Yeah factories have been shutting for decades and we became reliant as an economy to a large extent on financial services.

                                              Now we have voted to #### that up too.

                                              What does that leave us with?

                                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                Posted by bbb on 13/9/2017, 18:31:27, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                90.210.117.130

                                                Dunno.

                                                I do know however that I've just had the most profitable 12 months of my working life.

                                                I'm inclined to give it the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that a large portion of the S.E have had for years.

                                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                  Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2017, 18:44:13, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                  217.138.48.10

                                                  Yeah but presumably if the economy crashes then people have less spare cash to employ you, so it's not likely to be a good thing if that happens?

                                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                    Posted by bbb on 13/9/2017, 18:51:41, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                    90.210.117.130

                                                    It's all if buts and maybes though. Who says the economy is going to crash? Besides a lot of scaremongers in the media?

                                                    Those of us in the building trade always feel it first when things are about to go tits up yet I and every other builder i know have seen nothing to suggest even a blip. Quite the opposite in fact

                                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 16:35:08, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                31.51.70.57

                                                I think the current workforce at Vauxhall is about 10% of its peak.

                                                Most of it has now been knocked down to create "luxury" homes under the flight path from the airport and right next to the train station.

                                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                  Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 16:34:55, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                  94.174.221.243

                                                  I don't see how Brexit helps any of this though

                                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                    Posted by bbb on 13/9/2017, 16:37:27, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                    90.210.117.130

                                                    Nobody has a crystal ball to see what's going to happen in the future.

                                                    Constant negativity by those that didn't want out isn't going to help the situation though is it?

                                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                      Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 16:43:32, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                      213.205.198.82

                                                      Thinking happy thoughts won't make everything ok, either

                                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                        Posted by bbb on 13/9/2017, 16:53:55, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                        90.210.117.130

                                                        Agreed. It helps though.

                                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                          Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 17:00:12, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                          213.205.198.82

                                                          If only Luton fans were happier under Blackwell. We would have won the league

                                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:05:48, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                            144.160.226.95

                                                            Lol.

                                                            Consumer etc confidence is widely believed to be a major influence on economic systems. Disagree with that if you want to but I think it's generally accepted.

                                                            So, if Remainers like yourself continue in the fashion you are then you are weakening our economy's chances if Brexit comes to fruition. That's just logical. Right? the only question is the degree to which it actually impacts on the Brexit process and the economy.

                                                            What no-one is trying to suggest is that "happy thoughts" will make everything perfect. That's just the usual silliness that get brought into it.

                                                            Just so we're clear.

                                                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                              Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 17:36:18, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                              94.174.221.243

                                                              Currency devalued, inflation rapidly rising above wages due to slowing economic conditions and apparently people not having confidence to spend are to blame

                                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                          Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 16:44:20, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                          31.51.70.57

                                                          Did you read the last paragraph of the bit you posted?

                                                            Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                            Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 16:58:55, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                            213.205.198.82

                                                            Yeah

                                                            How does Brexit help that? In my eyes it only increases the likelihood of it happening again

                                                              Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                              Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 17:01:48, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                              31.51.70.57

                                                              You're definitely a glass half empty chap.

                                                                Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                Posted by HH on 13/9/2017, 17:38:03, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                213.205.198.82

                                                                Strange post

                                                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                  Posted by Teeth on 13/9/2017, 17:08:22, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                  213.205.198.108

                                                                  And you're a "fecking idiot".

                                                                  They're not my words but came from the person who sacked you from here as admin....Simon.

                                                                  Guffaw.

                                                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:09:21, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                    144.160.226.95

                                                                    Presumably he was talking to you at the time?

                                                                      Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                      Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 17:39:06, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                      31.51.70.57

                                                                      He doesn't give "two fecks" what anyone thinks about him

                                                                        Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2017, 17:42:04, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                        82.27.44.194

                                                                        Makes you wonder why he's so desperate to meet up with someone-anyone- for a drink.

                                                                          Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                          Posted by 4-4-2 on 13/9/2017, 17:43:13, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                          31.51.70.57

                                                                          Maybe he's very sad and lonely













                                                                          And looking for a bit of "man love"?

                                                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 17:07:23, in reply to "Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                                    144.160.226.95

                                                                    And there's a hole in the bottom of it

                                                  Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                  Posted by Exile on 13/9/2017, 16:15:11, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                  31.221.96.100

                                                  Yeah, but blue passports and all that.

                                                    Re: Brexit and Vauxhall Luton

                                                    Posted by J in carlisle on 13/9/2017, 16:14:07, in reply to "Brexit and Vauxhall Luton"
                                                    79.75.172.4

                                                    According to the little Englanders on here its fine we will manage and no jobs will be lost

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