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    Delayed reactions

    Posted by The Watcher on 13/9/2017, 8:28:09
    195.11.179.106

    A solid win against a very poor Port Vale side, but another distinctly underwhelming performance. Once we (or they!) scored I don't think we ever really looked like losing, but 3 shots on target and spending the last 30 mins camped in our own half against a team bottom of the league does tell its own story. Granted a very poor night for footballing conditions but yet again tactics / formation not really working.

    If McCormack hadn't been awarded man of the match it would have been a travesty - best player on the pitch by a mile. Stech made some cracking saves too and I thought Rea had one of his better games, one or two usual rushes of blood aside.

    Shinnie, Ruddock and Berry were largely anonymous, and Collins and Hylton feeding off scraps. Most likely due to the fact that we're so depressingly narrow - you could throw a tablecloth over those 5 on some occasions as we pitter-pattered around the back of the box. We were crying out for width and although Stacey provided some, Potts isn't going to beat a man or get to the byline to create much.

    I'm still not convinced Stacey is a right back either - as other posters I'm sure have said I'd love to see him and JJ combine down the right. That would involve losing the diamond midfield though - and Jones admitting he is wrong. Not holding out much hope...

    I've missed a few away games this season (and fortunately Saturday too!) but from what I've seen it looks worryingly like last year but with better players - hopefully enough to get us over the line for 3rd place but it could be a long and fairly tedious season along the way...

      Re: Delayed reactions

      Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 10:38:30, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
      144.160.226.91

      Lol, some people, a tedious season ending in us being third . . .

      Sigh.

        Re: Delayed reactions

        Posted by The Watcher on 13/9/2017, 12:02:13, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
        195.11.179.106

        Or a tedious season where we finish 4th and lose out in the play-offs.

        Wouldn't you say with the investment we've had we should have higher expectations than that?

          Re: Delayed reactions

          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2017, 12:07:15, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
          144.160.226.93

          I would say that if you think finishing third is somehow tedious there is little point talking further because you're expectations are ridiculous.

          And what investment are you talking about? We've sold for far more than we've spent. There has been no "investment" in that sense.

            Re: Delayed reactions

            Posted by The Watcher on 13/9/2017, 14:33:38, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
            195.11.179.106

            I didn't say that did I though?

            I said that if we had a season of dreadful to watch, boring football, and lost in the play-offs, I'd consider the season a failure. I'm sure many would agree given it means we've failed to kick on from last year.

            If we bore our way to promotion I'd be delighted. But we just seem to be repeating the same mistakes as last season, from what I've seen.

            Investment - I don't know, spending decent money on players like Collins and Berry? We've sold fringe players or where it's made sense to sell, I've got no problems with that.

            You seem a little chippy. Is that you Nathan?

              Re: Delayed reactions

              Posted by The Outsider on 13/9/2017, 15:01:32, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
              188.122.40.55

              Investment - I don't know, spending decent money on players like Collins and Berry? We've sold fringe players or where it's made sense to sell, I've got no problems with that.

              I wouldn't call McGeehan, Vassell, Marriott etc. fringe players (maybe Marriott) and I suspect that they brought in a lot more than we spent on Collins and Berry.

        Re: Delayed reactions

        Posted by Ponderer on 13/9/2017, 9:56:59, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
        86.128.224.123

        I don't think Vale will finish bottom, there doesn't seem to be any 'gimmies' in this division and they came to play rather than just roll over. I wouldn't be surprised if they start to pick up points over their next few games.

        If we win without playing particularly brilliantly then I do not see it as a problem, I guess I would rather see points than performances, its not always going to be pretty but Id always take the points.

          Re: Delayed reactions

          Posted by Oak Roader on 13/9/2017, 9:54:13, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
          82.132.230.118

          Agreed all on all front. With the exception of a few over hit balls into the channels for collins to chase (is that getting the best out of him?!) we were largely trying to knock long ball over the top constantly as there was no body out wide

            Re: Delayed reactions

            Posted by IP on 13/9/2017, 9:40:17, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
            81.153.224.112

            We're not ticking as a team quite yet with a couple of notable exceptions so far this season. However I'm certain with these players it will come. PV are not going to finish in the bottom half and I'll have a fiver on them finishing in the Playoffs. There was some really nice play from them last night in terrible conditions and their confidence won't be good at the moment. Berry was very good and deserves a mention. I think he was the key signing for us and will be the reason we go up. The Swindon game was an aberration and whilst I don't expect too many thrilling games this season we will be good enough. A win at WW this Sat and it will start to look ok and as NJ says that is one of those games where we are shooting ourselves in the foot so time to change that. COYH!

              Re: Delayed reactions

              Posted by Arry Verderchi on 13/9/2017, 15:31:53, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
              185.40.117.82

              +1

              Re: Delayed reactions

              Posted by Kirkby Hatter on 13/9/2017, 9:22:59, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
              46.226.50.228

              Also agree with your assessment apart from I thought Berry had a good game.We have two great box strikers but no width to our play (due to the diamond system) and therefore no crosses which these two would thrive on. When you look at the amount of crosses they put in last night we would have been in serious trouble if they had our two strikers.
              After seeing McCormack's performances at Mansfield and Lincoln, last night was an huge improvement, however at this rate will be serving his first ban by end of September!
              Jones is not going to change the diamond system whatever so get used to seeing average performances this season and hopefully we will make the play offs!

                Re: Delayed reactions

                Posted by The Watcher on 13/9/2017, 9:29:32, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                195.11.179.106

                Agreed, thought Berry was good and very tidy, just too often ended up very close to Shinnie and Pelly meaning he didn't really have many options to do anything further with the ball!

                Re: Delayed reactions

                Posted by Buzzard on 13/9/2017, 9:21:32, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
                88.151.154.244

                I'm not convinced Port Vale are a poor side if I am honest. They asked plenty of questions of us by getting the ball into the box but they just don't really look like scoring.

                Add to that they know that they don't look like scoring and such are fragile at the back. Once we went in front we plenty comfortable enough.

                  Re: Delayed reactions

                  Posted by Real Ale drinking Statto Bloke on 13/9/2017, 8:48:29, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
                  109.145.208.253

                  Agree with all of that. It's not convincing and I cannot see any improvement on last season. Maybe NJ will stumble across a formula which works well but of course it has to be within the diamond formation.

                    Re: Delayed reactions

                    Posted by Arnie on 13/9/2017, 8:46:02, in reply to "Delayed reactions"
                    109.145.210.17

                    I thought Shinnie and Berry were both superb last night. I agree there is a problem with them and the front 2 all playing in a narrow formation and getting in each other's way. Pelly sadly disappeared 2nd half and was almost doubling up as a left back. Tracey and JJ both on the right would be a good attacking option. Can't see Jones going for it though.

                      Re: Delayed reactions

                      Posted by HemHat on 13/9/2017, 9:12:37, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                      195.59.62.177

                      Pelly went a good long time without touching the ball or getting involved at one point in the second half. He drifted to the left touchline and stood there. Players on our team stopped looking for him as well I thought. Worrying.

                        Re: Delayed reactions

                        Posted by Sussex on 13/9/2017, 9:01:24, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                        82.113.183.22

                        Berry was superb last night . Good width from
                        Both Stacey and Potts ( who is improving with every game ) . Funny how we see things differently watching the same game !

                          Re: Delayed reactions

                          Posted by The Watcher on 13/9/2017, 9:32:16, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                          195.11.179.106

                          The joys of football and opinions I suppose!

                          Not arguing that those players played well - just think we need a system that allows them to provide more width and attack in different ways!

                          Potts has been much better this season (probably our best defender so far) but I'm not sure he's ever going to be beating a man or sprinting down the wing on the overlap, which the system we currently play really needs (and if he could he wouldn't be playing in L2!).

                            Re: Delayed reactions and pace

                            Posted by Finchley on 13/9/2017, 9:21:48, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                            31.64.85.58

                            Without wishing To labour the point, the issue is mainly a lack of pace. If you have a striker with pace, the defender has to adapt their starting position and whole mindset. Our midfielders will also look at different passes than what we are huffing and puffing with now. Even when Vassell or Marriot were not having one of their better games, their pace gave defenders a different problem to think about.

                            Vassell had to be sold given the circumstances but selling Marriot as well is a big headache

                              Re: Delayed reactions and pace

                              Posted by hatters on 13/9/2017, 11:07:24, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions and pace "
                              167.220.197.68

                              "Vassell had to be sold given the circumstances but selling Marriot as well is a big headache"

                              Selling Marriot made sense at the time, Vassell we had our hand forced somewhat, I reckon if we had known Vassell was going to leave, which we didn't, we wouldn't have sold Marriot, crap timing really.

                              Re: Delayed reactions

                              Posted by Harry on 13/9/2017, 9:17:58, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                              94.196.223.178

                              Berry made a big difference in my opinion
                              Pelly just wont make it....he just doesn't appear to know what to do once he get the ball (if he does) and just seems to drift about the pitch slowly and aimlessly

                              feel sorry for players like Gambin not getting a chance to be honest

                              and yes Stacey should be pushed forward into midfield and Jj come in at the back (won't happen)

                              PS why does Nathan seem far more animated most of the time than the players?

                                Re: Delayed reactions

                                Posted by Just an observation on 13/9/2017, 11:47:32, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                                89.243.127.186

                                I think we may have had a clue when he kept rejecting contract offers. This was bad management, you do not sell a pact player with several years left on his contract in the hope another pact striker signs a new deal.

                                Don't forget Eliot Lee offers something different to Marriott. The not difference I can see is that Marriott got slightly more game time. Lack of pace upfront will result in more disappointment come the end of the season.

                                  Re: Delayed reactions

                                  Posted by J Block OAP on 13/9/2017, 9:54:02, in reply to "Re: Delayed reactions"
                                  163.171.0.4

                                  After the demolition of Yeovil, very few sides will come to us and play open football. Our issues centre on the narrowness of the formation used and a lack of genuine pace. I would move JJ into midfield to replace Pelly for starters.My other issue is that although Shinnie is clearly a good footballer, I'm not sure that he and Berry will compliment each other so a wide left player might be needed. Other than the CB issue which is always with us, I think we'll do fine.

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