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    Full Backs

    Posted by Ramridge Raider on 20/3/2017, 15:42:15
    88.96.181.150

    Looks like NJ will persist with the midfield diamond but to make it work most effectively full backs need a little bit more quality going forward than what we have at the moment.

    Unlike some, I think the midfield is fairly strong and I expect to see the likes of Cook, Gray, Gambin, D'arth moving up a level next season.

    Personally, I think if the club are going to invest in the side next season a major priority would be two good attacking full backs.

    Nothing against Justin or Senior as I think their time will come and I actually think O'Donnell is a better player than people give him credit for. However none of these pose the attacking threat at the moment that we need if we are playing without wingers.

    All three will get better at this side of their game but it will take a few years.

    Afraid I cant see Potts ever developing this side of his game.


      Re: Full Backs

      Posted by J Block on 20/3/2017, 17:28:26, in reply to "Full Backs"
      79.66.186.14

      are you on crack?

        Re: Full Backs

        Posted by Fuctivano on 20/3/2017, 16:41:43, in reply to "Full Backs"
        164.143.240.34

        I think the midfield is fairly strong

        Really?

          Re: Full Backs

          Posted by Ramridge Raider on 20/3/2017, 16:50:28, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
          88.96.181.150

          I'm backing NJ's judgement of a player. I can see the potential in our midfield, players like Cook, Gambin and Gray have all shown flashes so expecting them to kick on next season. It took Cuthbert a good six months to get consistency in his game.

          My only concern is if we stay in L.2 can they deal with the physical side.

            Re: Full Backs

            Posted by Fuctivano on 20/3/2017, 17:01:29, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
            164.143.240.34

            It might help them if they were played in a formation that suits their strengths. Still think they're too lightweight and too much of a muchness.

            Re: Full Backs

            Posted by nev the bear on 20/3/2017, 16:46:40, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
            94.9.30.85

            in my opinion the midfield is inconsistent

            Re: Full Backs

            Posted by Crouchender on 20/3/2017, 16:05:15, in reply to "Full Backs"
            198.240.128.75

            Which again begs the question - why even persist with the diamond?

            You're saying that we do have the midfield to play it, but if we haven't (yet) got the fullbacks, then why put that level of pressure on them to try and make that formation work?

            I doubt the quality of fullbacks we need can even be found playing League Two football.

              Re: Full Backs

              Posted by HuN on 20/3/2017, 18:07:45, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
              82.18.186.213



              +1

                Re: Full Backs

                Posted by Ramridge Raider on 20/3/2017, 16:13:11, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                88.96.181.150

                Whether we like it or not I think the diamond is her to stay. Personally I dont think it has helped us at home this season but I think this is part of a longer term plan.

                My point is that if there is available cash at the end of the season then we maybe should be looking at investing it into a couple of decent attacking full backs, maybe Div 1 or ChaMpionship standard.

                  Re: Full Backs

                  Posted by Lee on 20/3/2017, 16:12:49, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                  82.1.181.135

                  Gary Neville was a half decent fullback in his day, to quote him you need world class full backs to pull the midfield diamond off. The formation is half the reason ours get hammered like they do, and is simply down to how much work they are being asked to do.

                    Re: Full Backs

                    Posted by jimmyp on 20/3/2017, 16:25:13, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                    136.8.33.71

                    Obviously when he said that he had fourth division football in mind, yeah?

                    JFC

                    Cheers, Jim

                  Re: Full Backs

                  Posted by Buzzard on 20/3/2017, 15:56:02, in reply to "Full Backs"
                  88.151.154.244

                  For me both Justin and Senior defend as you would expect.

                  SOD doesn't. I often read that he is good going forward but his first responsibility is to defend and he doesn't do it very well.

                  You can ponce about with systems all day long but if players can't, or won't do their job then you may as well forget it. A team will only ever be as strong as it's weakest link.

                    Re: Full Backs

                    Posted by Shatter on 20/3/2017, 15:48:23, in reply to "Full Backs"
                    89.197.95.162

                    O'Donnell doesn't look fit enough to bomb up and down for 90 minutes. After 65 minutes he looks to be struggling.

                      Re: Full Backs

                      Posted by Ramridge Raider on 20/3/2017, 16:00:11, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                      88.96.181.150

                      Maybe, cant say I've noticed.

                      He still lacks a bit of composure in the final third and needs to work hard on his crossing.

                      However, I always remember Gary Neville's crossing was dire when he was younger. He obviously worked hard it as later in his career his delivery from out wide was as good as Beckham's.

                      I think a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is to put in a good cross from wide positions, particularly when the opposition pack the defence.

                        Re: Full Backs

                        Posted by bbb on 20/3/2017, 16:44:50, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                        90.200.127.50

                        Bollox.

                        If you are paid to play professional football you should be able to cross a ball 20/30 yards

                          Re: Full Backs

                          Posted by Ramridge Raider on 20/3/2017, 16:58:53, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                          88.96.181.150

                          Two words....Raheem Sterling

                            Re: Full Backs

                            Posted by The Dunstable Massive on 20/3/2017, 16:58:49, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                            165.120.209.186

                            Are you saying that all League 2 players should be able to cross the ball as well as premier league or international players ?

                              Re: Full Backs

                              Posted by bbb on 20/3/2017, 20:16:42, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                              90.200.127.50

                              Not at all.

                              But if it's their full time job and they do it every day then they should be at least half decent at it.

                              If I plastered a wall and then failed miserably 7 times out of 10 when it came to troweling it off 1 I wouldn't get paid and 2 I wouldn't get any work.

                              He's never going to be a premiership footballer but if getting down the line and crossing the ball is part of his job that he's getting paid for then he should be doing it a bit better IMO.

                                Re: Full Backs

                                Posted by EastEnder on 20/3/2017, 18:49:18, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                86.149.165.23

                                Well they do get paid to train 5 days a week on any aspects of their game that might be weaker than others.

                                And presumably to become a professional footballer in the first place most of them would have been the best or one of the best footballers at their school. So of course they ought to capable of crossing the ball.

                                  Re: Full Backs

                                  Posted by Ramridge Raider on 20/3/2017, 17:10:01, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                  88.96.181.150

                                  No, I'm saying he's paid £150k a week and cant cross a ball.

                                  In response to BBB's point that any professional player should be able to cross a ball.

                                    Re: Full Backs

                                    Posted by The Dunstable Massive on 20/3/2017, 20:08:32, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                    85.255.232.148

                                    .......and I'm implying that that a League 2 player won't be able to do it as well as a premier league player.

                                    The difference is in consistency. A Sunday league player will put in a perfect cross once in a while, SOD does it more often than that, Kyle Walker does it more often than him and Cafu did it more often than Kyle Walker.

                                    To expect a league 2 player to do anything perfectly 100% of the time is ridiculous. Premier league players like Sterling should be held to higher standards of course.

                                    Re: Full Backs

                                    Posted by jimmyp on 20/3/2017, 17:00:18, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                    136.8.33.68

                                    Only the 'world-class' ones.

                                    Cheers, Jim

                                      Re: Full Backs

                                      Posted by Seriously on 20/3/2017, 18:08:47, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                      86.5.41.193

                                      When the full backs in Our diamond formation go forward to provide the width for the team, which player should be there to cover their position if we lose possession and are countered?
                                      Is it the sitting midfield player, a central defender or the midfielder playing left/right side in the diamond ?
                                      Whilst I note SOD is technically not the most gifted defender he does get up and down the pitch as I his manager expects him to.

                                        Re: Full Backs

                                        Posted by Seriously on 20/3/2017, 17:38:45, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                        86.5.41.193

                                        When the full backs in Our diamond formation go forward to provide the width for the team, which player should be there to cover their position if we lose possession and are countered?
                                        Is it the sitting midfield player, a central defender or the midfielder playing left/right side in the diamond ?
                                        Whilst I note SOD is technically not the most gifted defender he does get up and down the pitch as I his manager expects him to.

                                          Re: Full Backs

                                          Posted by Lee on 20/3/2017, 17:42:11, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                          82.1.181.135

                                          You tell him Nathan.

                                          Re: Full Backs

                                          Posted by sarriehatter on 20/3/2017, 17:32:57, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                          31.48.245.3

                                          When I went to the open day earlier in the season, O'Donnell did nothing but practice centres after the main training was over. The quality of them were excellent. Maybe certain sections of the crowd should get off his back. Never known anybody in the work place give their best while being constantly criticised and heckled. Seems every clubs' fans have their ''whipping boy '' and O'Donnell seems to be ours

                                            Re: Full Backs

                                            Posted by Indeed on 21/3/2017, 23:14:48, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                            79.76.252.229

                                            Yes.Makes some great passes & tackles but is only remembered for his mistakes.

                                              Re: Full Backs

                                              Posted by mad beanite on 20/3/2017, 21:18:35, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                              176.24.102.241

                                              +1

                                                Re: Full Backs

                                                Posted by Indeed on 20/3/2017, 19:10:33, in reply to "Re: Full Backs"
                                                79.76.252.229

                                                Yes.Makes some great passes & tackles but is only remembered for his mistakes.

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