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    UK Mail. Wtf

    Posted by Sonic! on 20/3/2017, 11:06:19
    94.174.113.171

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/19/uk-mail-driver-unable-to-work-car-accident-charged-800-pounds

      Re: UK Mail. Wtf

      Posted by Southern Softy on 20/3/2017, 12:01:07, in reply to "UK Mail. Wtf"
      213.86.38.254

      Nothing wrong with this. The guy just didn't put in proper cover for running his business.

      A guy set up a company and signs a contract to deliver all parcels on a set route. The parcel company guarantees that he is the sole delivery driver on that route.

      The guy benefits from a guaranteed route with an estimated number of parcels a day/week. He has flexible hours, claims expenses and better tax as self employed and better money than a standard employed delivery driver.

      Whilst everything runs smoothly he is happy with the money coming in. Then he lets down the company by not turning up to deliver the parcels and breaks his contract. He should provide cover but doesn't. Doesn't matter what is wrong with him, he agreed to ensure all parcels are delivered. He doesn't have to deliver them, just ensures that they are delivered.

      The big company then has to arrange cover and passes on the cost as per the contract.

      I guess he didn't factor in time off or sick pay in his business model.



        Re: UK Mail. Wtf

        Posted by On Holiday Hat on 20/3/2017, 12:12:25, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
        123.231.123.30

        Are you a Tory politician - that post looks like it could of come straight from a tory central office briefing for their MP'S.

        Why do you ignore the fact that the driver was earning around below the minimum wage? Why do you ignore the fact that by forcing drivers to accept self employed contracts the company saves on employers NI?

        The so called "Gig" economy is beneficial to nobody but the company forcing it on their workforce.

        Expect more of this shit when the protection of EU law has been removed. . . . .

          Re: UK Mail. Wtf

          Posted by Southern Softy on 20/3/2017, 12:23:25, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
          213.86.38.254

          No, I am also self employed and get fed up when people come in and undercut me as they didn't factor in the true costs. Then 3 months down the line, they have chucked it in as the true cost of doing the job hits them.

          I pay out for insurances and sickness cover and this is factored into my rates. It is part of doing business.

          I could be employed on 60% less than what I get now and have a safety net in place of sick pay, holiday pay and a boss to deal with the crap.

          The 60% difference is the risk factor which I take measures to mitigate. When it goes well it is great. When it goes bad, it is bad.

            Re: UK Mail. Wtf

            Posted by Southern Softy on 20/3/2017, 12:22:31, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
            213.86.38.254

            No, I am also self employed and get fed up when people come in and undercut me as they didn't factor in the true costs. Then 3 months down the line, they have chucked it in as the true cost of doing the job hits them.

            I pay out for insurances and sickness cover and this is factored into my rates. It is part of doing business.

            I could be employed on 60% less than what I get now and have a safety net in place of sick pay, holiday pay and a boss to deal with the crap.

            The 60% difference is the risk factor which I take measures to mitigate. When it goes well it is great. When it goes bad, it is bad.

              Re: UK Mail. Wtf

              Posted by On Holiday Hat on 20/3/2017, 12:45:37, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
              123.231.123.30

              I presume you really are self employed with numerous clients/customers over the course each month and not being paid a hourly rate which after expenses is less than the min wage.

              Have a think about your situation and the delivery drivers. Are they really the same?

                Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                Posted by crumpsall on 20/3/2017, 17:52:43, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                82.29.239.172

                I somehow doubt it as he has previously bragged about tax mitigation, interest, savings and investments and reducing the cost of alimony due to a weak pound - as well as having an EU passport so he can do a runner if things go 'pear shaped' (to quote) as opposed to having to live 'hand to mouth'.

                Presumably will be paying tax on the cycling gear side line he's advertised on here though.

                Anyone who can't see the injustice of the situation this driver found himself in would presumably not understand that his pay levels weren't set by himself, and neither would he have had any choice - just like the millions of others trapped in zero hours, no rights contracts, as opposed to people like myself and presumably Southern Softy who are 'genuinely' self-employed and in control of our own affairs.

                  Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                  Posted by Morph on 20/3/2017, 14:30:38, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                  213.86.2.206

                  He explained it perfectly as far as I can see and it makes perfect sense.

                Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 12:13:59, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                82.10.68.233

                Spot on

              Re: UK Mail. Wtf

              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 11:17:27, in reply to "UK Mail. Wtf"
              82.10.68.233

              Welcome to the modern world of work, in this corporate-run, zero-hours, gig economy country.

                Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                Posted by Crouchender on 20/3/2017, 12:17:14, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                198.240.128.75

                You captalise countries themselves, not the actual word 'country'.

                  Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                  Posted by Sallustius of Emesa on 20/3/2017, 13:55:47, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                  79.76.173.239

                  when the Country refers to one in particular, which it does in this case, the way I read it, then perfectly correct to use a capital letter. That is unless things have changed since went to school.

                    Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 15:06:56, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                    82.10.68.233

                    I've never heard of that; a common noun (not a name of a person or place) always a lower-case initial letter.

                      Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                      Posted by Suffolk Punch on 20/3/2017, 22:17:07, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                      86.146.113.122

                      I always use a capital n when referring to Nature. Or a capital h for Him Upstairs - even though I don't accept His existence.

                        Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 23:42:04, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                        82.10.68.233

                        I should have added titles to the list, and Nature could be a name, as in Mother Nature.

                          Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/3/2017, 10:12:29, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                          82.10.68.233

                            Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                            Posted by Suffolk Punch on 21/3/2017, 0:12:05, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                            86.146.113.122

                            Sorry m. I know you knew. That's what splitting hairs with journeyman does to you

                      Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                      Posted by Crouchender on 20/3/2017, 12:19:02, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                      198.240.128.75

                      Ooops. Wrong place. That was to Blue jeans, NaG!

                        Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 12:20:48, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                        82.10.68.233

                        Yes, I gathered that.

                      Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                      Posted by Blue jeans on 20/3/2017, 11:41:34, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                      92.3.65.239

                      Capital C for Country please - see I managed it, you didn't "nearly" (get it, clever eh!) get it right, you got it, well, sorry, but embarrassingly wrong.

                      Ban on the way, hopefully!

                        Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                        Posted by The Icon on 20/3/2017, 12:17:59, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                        86.157.26.10

                        Crybaby.

                          Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                          Posted by HemHat on 20/3/2017, 12:00:25, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                          195.59.62.177



                          What?!

                            Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 11:51:24, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                            82.10.68.233

                            Only idiots put a capital letter on random nouns in the middle of a sentence.

                              Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                              Posted by EastEnder on 20/3/2017, 12:00:52, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                              86.149.165.23

                              No-one could ever accuses Spix of being an idiot.

                                Re: UK Mail. Wtf

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/3/2017, 12:01:29, in reply to "Re: UK Mail. Wtf"
                                82.10.68.233

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