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Posted by Madame Yeah, here's another example - Ralph Nader. He knows he's fighting a losing battle this time, yet he (and surprise, surprise, the Republicans) fought to get him on the ballot in Florida (remember, the Land of the Hanging Chads and Dubya's Bro?). Hmm. Integrity? Independent views? How about acting in the best interest of your country? Nah, he's a glory hound like the rest of them. Madame --Previous Message--
on 9/29/2004, 10:10 pm, in reply to "Re: screw kerry too"
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"He is a politician like everybody else. Dont talk about integrity when you are referring to somebody with a loyalty to any party."
: So let me get this straight- you view Bush as
: the worst president ever, but you are not
: willing to pull the lever for Kerry. A vote
: for anybody other than Kerry is a vote for
: Bush. Do you realize this?
: He pisses you off because he said he would do
: the same thing. He would not do the same
: thing. He would do it in a different way,
: like, winning the war. George Bush went into
: Iraq with no exit strategy. As far as 2
: thousand years ago, Sun Tzu stated you must
: always have an exit strategy. George Bush
: did not anticipate these people not wanting
: us there. Did you ever wonder what happened
: to Colon Powell? All of a sudden, you do not
: hear anything from him anymore. He's now
: giving tours of the White House. Why,
: because he dissented opinion of the war and
: how it will go from Bush and Cheney.
: Both of these clowns have no idea what
: strategy should be used to fight a war. I
: will give you 2 examples.
: 1. Afghanistan. Absolutely warranted, but
: done the wrong way. After 9-11, George Bush
: talked about retaliation. What did we get?
: WE had other people (namely, The Northern
: Alliance) do our ground fighting for us.
: This made the USA look like a bunch of
: pussies and gave us no credibility with our
: allies or enemies. What should have been
: done is that we give them 48 hours to turn
: over Bin Laden. If not, we should have
: launched an invasion, which can be put
: together relatively quickly. I know this
: from experience. This did not happen. We
: continue to play games to no avail. Bin
: Laden now walks.
: 2. Iraq. My opinion on Iraq is that I do
: not have a problem with Saddam Hussein being
: removed from power, but I do believe he was
: contained and not a threat at that time. It
: should have been done by GW's father, but it
: was not. The problem with Iraq is that they
: did not provide any contingency strategy if
: all did not go well. What should have
: happened is a swift invasion with a
: declaration of martial law, with several
: battalions of MPs ready to enforce it. This
: did not happen. Our military has allowed the
: looting of the Iraqi heritage and civil
: unrest.
: So what happened was that none of Iraq's
: weapons and ammunition depots were secured,
: which were also looted and are now being used
: against our own troops. On top of that, we
: continue to play stupid politial games such
: as the fiasco in Fallujah. Sun Tzu always
: stated that the seige of a city is not a good
: idea, but if it is necessary, it must be done
: swiftly and without hesitation or mercy.
: Iraq is a mess because of politics, not our
: military.
: We have no border survellance in this
: country. Do you not think the national guard
: would be much better deployed in this role -
: defending our borders instead of fighting a
: war they were not trained for?
: Therefore, we know for a fact that Cheney and
: Bush have no idea of how to fight a war.
: Kerry at least, was in a conflict and was
: fired upon. He did not run or was given 7
: differments like Cheney and Bush. Therefore,
: I am willing to take a chance on somebody who
: has been there and knows what it is like to
: come under fire. Will that make him a good
: president? I dont know, but I do know the
: people in charge now are not.
: About Howard Dean - what exactly are these
: independent views you are talking about? He
: is also part of the "Big 2"
: parties. Do you honestly think that he would
: dissent from his party to any large degree?
: Anybody in hindsight can view events in
: 20-20. He is a politician like everybody
: else. Dont talk about integrity when you are
: referring to somebody with a loyalty to any
: party. What you have to do is determine
: which party's views more align with your own
: and vote that way. You will never get an
: honest politician. You need to vote for the
: lesser evil. That is the way it is. That is
: the way it always will be until this
: Democracy collapses. The average democracy
: throughout history lasts about 200 years. We
: are overdue.
: I consider myself for the most part, along
: the lines of the Democrats. I believe that
: someone down on their luck should be able to
: get a bowl of soup to eat. Most Republicans
: dont. The scary thing is that I find myself
: at this point in time, agreeing with the
: political views of Pat Buchanan. Believe it
: or not, he is the only one making any sense,
: when viewing the big picture at this time.
: Read his books. It is scary how much sense
: he makes, especially since he is so
: right-wing he flys in circles. Have a nice
: ####ing day.
: --Previous Message--
: sure i think george bush is the worst
: president...well, ever, but i just can't find
: the will to pull the lever for kerry. he
: pisses me off more than bush because he's
: supposed to be the alternative and all i hear
: out of his camp is "i'd do the same
: thing, but i'd do it better." hey john,
: how about a little more "what he did was
: wrong and here are the reasons, and there's
: no way in hell any sane president would have
: done what bush has done." and this guy,
: who is supposed to be my alternative to bush,
: says, publicly, that even knowing what we
: know now, he would still have invaded iraq.
: wait a minute - isn't that the kind of near
: psychotic thinking that makes bush such a
: dangerous ass to begin with? and i have to
: hear Kerry say it? jesus, we're in trouble.
: not to mention that i'm still pissed off at
: the whole democratic machine for destroying
: dean. now there was a guy with some balls. he
: might have lost, but at least he would have
: lost with some integrity. at least some
: alternative views would have been put on the
: table. oh well. so i'm left with a guy who
: voted to authorize the war, who voted for the
: patriot act, and can't even summon the
: rhetorical strength to challenge a guy who
: barely has a command of the english language.
: wow. fire me up.
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