Posted by John on July 23, 2008, 1:00 am |
- Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models
Posted by David W on July 23, 2008, 6:57 am, in reply to "extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models"
68.39.186.119John,
The Twist Steel barrels were on the 0 Grade from 1895-1899, so from your serial number you should be able to date this. On the receivers water table, the serial number and then the grade should be there also, you should see an "0".
Your gun has what is called a"joint check", it was designed to stop the downward rotation of the barrels when opening to reduce the force on the hinge pin. Very expensive item to produce and in later years found out it wasn't really necessary. All guns, hammer and hammerless, from 1883 to I believe 1901 had this first style joint check.
If you look at your rotating disc you should see a number on it, this refers to the patent date.
If you have the barels off the receiver, in turning the joint check you will see how the internal cam moves the extractor rod out.
There was also a second type joint check, mainly used in ejector guns, that used pins on both sides. I have never seen one so can't tell you about it. All I know is if the tiny spring breaks, it is very hard to remove the barrels from the receiver.
The three position safety was used from 1886, (patent date Oct.5,1886) and was called the Independent/Automatic safety, meaning in the forward position it was automatically returned to "Safe" when the gun was broken, Independent meaning in the rear position it stayed there ready to fire.
It's amazing that there are still guns out there with the safety rod missing because some still didn't want that automatic feature.
Good luck with it and keep us informed. Hope you will become a member of the L.C.S.C.A.
- Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models
Posted by John on July 23, 2008, 1:25 pm, in reply to "Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models"
71.225.157.69I did run the serial number a while back and I thought it was an 1892, but it turns out according to the search I just did that it's actually from 1890. The serial is 31339 if you have a more accurate way.
When you say pins on both sides, do you mean there are two pins on each side of the disc as in 4 pins total? Or one per side on the disc for 2 pins total because mine would be the latter one pin on each side of the disc. As for the number on there, there's only a serial number which matches the serial on all the other parts of the gun.
Would it help if I posted a picture or two? The gun is in poor-fair shape as the barrels are somewhat pitted inside and has only patina as a finish, as well as the stock which is in rather pitiful condition. - Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models
Posted by John on July 23, 2008, 2:34 pm, in reply to "Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models"
71.225.157.69Hope you guys see these and they're helpful! Thanks alot.
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Posted by Jent P Mitchell III on July 23, 2008, 9:52 am, in reply to "Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models"
71.171.75.247Being able to push your shells all the way into the chambers of your L C Smith shotgun was a GREAT BENEFIT that was lost when they changed to the newer system. By pushing your shells ALL THE WAY into the chambers you reduced the possibility of damaging the tips of your firing pins when you closed the gun. Many many many L C Smith shooters have broken off the tips of their firing pins by closing their L C Smith to aggressively. When you load your L C Smith with the system that you described you should push the shells all the way down and still be careful not to break off your firing pins when you close the gun. Jent - Broken Firing Pins
Posted by David W on July 23, 2008, 10:45 am, in reply to "Re: extractor/ejector types on Pre-1913 models"
68.39.186.119Jent,
No disrespect but I have to disagree with you. Once the gun is broken and it re-cocks itself the firing pins are then "floating". Second if the firing pins were still sticking out, the extractor stem is relaxed upon starting to close the breech and the shells along with the extractor/ejector is also following into it's fit in the barrels.
Have your gun broken, muzzles down, the firing pins are sticking out now, start to close the gun and watch how the action works. - Re: Broken Firing Pins
Posted by Jent P Mitchell III on July 23, 2008, 12:18 pm, in reply to "Broken Firing Pins "
71.171.75.247All I can tell you is that Pastor Charlie and Dewey are CONSTANTLY making new firing pins for these old L C Smiths, the tips get sheared off. Pastor Charlie and I have always got powder stained and greasy fingers after shooting these types of L C Smiths because we still find ourselves having to give the firing pins a push with our trigger finger to get the firing pin or pins to back up so that we can gently close the gun. When I start to close my L C Smith hammergun or hammerless with this system if I feel ANY resistance at all I stop and push the pins with my trigger finger. By pushing the shells all the way into the chamber, they kind of snap in, it makes closing the gun extra easy and if I need to get my finger in there to push the pins I have more room. There are little horse shoe shaped dimples cut in the EXTRACTORS that also help get the firing pins back up in most cases on these L C Smiths. Many ENGLISH made guns have little springs that pull the pins back to a safe postion in the frame. I have always wondered why L C Smith/Hunter Arms never did this. Another thing that I have to be very careful and watchful about is the hammer screw on the right hand hammer of my L C Smith hammergun. It wants to unscrew itself frequently. I let one get away and get lost while shooting recently and Dewey had to make me a new one. This one has a little locktite on it, maybe it will stay put. Good Shooting To You All, Jent --- jentpmitchell@msn.com - 20 ga. Elsie like new
Posted by Bill Pace on July 24, 2008, 9:59 am, in reply to "Re: Broken Firing Pins "
69.151.253.66Jent..perhaps you can help me with a value estimate.This gun is a "Field grade", 20 ga. like new condition, oil fin. stocks. all case and blue..may never have been fired. can you give me a ball park figure on value/ 713-467-1029 or bnbshooters@sbcglobal.net Bill Pace