Posted by John Harris on April 14, 2008, 7:45 pm |
- Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by David R on April 14, 2008, 8:59 pm, in reply to "Butt Stock Length"
68.94.58.155John, from what I have read and seen on different guns I don't think being an early gun has anything to do with the length.
L.C.'S could be ordered anyway the customer wanted. From your picture( looks like you got a great gun by the way) the ideal actually looks long. I believe and average length of pull for double triggers is around 14 to 14 1/2 inches to the front trigger. Since your gun is single trigger at the rear probably 13 1/2 would be the length of pull ON AVERAGE. The ideal has single trigger in the middle postion, so that changes the distance just for that.
Bottom line is if the gun fits you fire away! If it is short you can put on a Hawkins original pad and be just about right.
What is the current length of pull on your gun and the ideal? David R - Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by John Harris on April 14, 2008, 9:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
12.218.71.2I measured the Ideal to be right at 14 inches to the back of the wood. The 3E is at least an inch shorter.
I think all of this is moot due to the frame issue I found wih the gun. Take a look at my other post "MAULED Frame"
- Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by John Harris on April 15, 2008, 7:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
12.218.71.2I took off the black plastic butt plate. It has the same dimensions as the one on my friends 1920's Ideal. There are only 2 holes on the stock. It does look like it has been varnished at some point.
How do I know if the stock has been cut?
- Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by revdocdrew on April 15, 2008, 7:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
72.222.168.170The wood underneath the plate of my uncut 06' 2E looks just like that John. BTW: LOP includes the buttplate.
A Cody letter might confirm how it left Fulton. - Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by Jim T on April 16, 2008, 11:14 am, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
12.45.208.246I commented on the thread re: "mauled etc" about the LOP on my Grade 3 (I have a 12 ga & 20.) This is about the Cody Letter aspect.
The letter & copy of the ledger I got on my #3's says nothing about the stock! It simply gives the Grade, Barrel length, Auto ejectors, date finished & Insspector. As we know its hit & miss on these pre 1913 guns as to the amount of info available. Good luck. Jim T - RE Cody Letter
Posted by John Harris on April 16, 2008, 12:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
147.241.150.200Jim
It is all miss on the Cody letters as far as I am concerned. I tried to get one for my friend's Ideal grade. I ended up with 3 letters stating 3 sets of "facts" and one apology letter for screwing up the whole thing.
The "best" letter has the gun being shipped before it was finished?
- Re: RE Cody Letter
Posted by Jim T on April 16, 2008, 12:22 pm, in reply to "RE Cody Letter"
12.45.208.246John: Guess the proof reader was out to lunch. However, my experience has been favorable but at $70.00 it does make one wonder if we're getting much "bang for our buck." Jim - Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by David W on April 16, 2008, 11:36 am, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
68.39.186.119John the one thing I would do is to look very careful at the buttplate and see if it looks like it is a replacement and does the wood around the butt look like it has been refinished? The only real way to put a new butt plate on or recoil pad (yuk)is to grind it close and then put in on and hand file/sand to meet the wood perfect. In doing so some of the stock wood will get nicked and has to be touched up or redone.
If the stock doesn't fit, which I guess it doesn't, then put a period recoil pad on, stain it, put tea, oil, ashes on to make it look old. - Re: Butt Stock Length
Posted by John Harris on April 15, 2008, 7:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Butt Stock Length"
12.218.71.2Not the most scientific method, but it looks like the LOP is somewhere around 13 inches? 
Maybe some short armed fellow ordered it this way??