To Harvey and Ed: you have given me enough info to get started; a friend loaned me his MEC single stage loader for which I purchased the device to enable 2 1/2 loads. I shall also proceed (on my own) as though the RST's are Cheddite's for which BP has a lot of recipes. To Destry: I love the smell of those paper Fed Gold Metals in 12 gauge trap loads; I can't remember them in small bores; I suppose they are still around in 2 3/4