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Posted by SanDiegoShipMan on 11/8/2009, 8:54 am, in reply to "G3 class that is"
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All nice models! The G3 and similar designs have been described as "revolutionary" but probably the only thing revolutionary was the huge guns they would have carried.

I have never been able to understand why the awkward gun turret (main and and secondary) and machinery arrangement was put into these designs. Somebody got hung up on the inadequate turret arrangement of the early Dreadnought-type battleships and the first battlecruiser designs. In my opinion, the arrangement was not even a logical development in the evolution of the beam turrets in early BBs/CBs, culminating inthe LION class CBs. Kudos to the designer who managed to save something of this inadequate design that resulted in the NELSON & RODNEY.

If the designers wanted "revolutionary" then they should have recognized that the only "revolutionary" design of turret arrangement was that of the Queen Elizabeth class BBs--two forward, superimpposed and the same aft, machinery in the middle. That and a three-turret arrangment like the Iowa class probably cannot be improved upon in a lineal sort of gun arrangement in a battleship, which is merely an object that is extended in the axis of it movement--a long, swift battleship.

The G3 and similar designs looked like something that came out of the star ship Enterprise's transporter when someone set the controls wrong! Beam me up, Scotty!

--Previous Message--
: Hi Norm,
:
: I have a little involvement with this
: project. Probably it's not a big secret
: anymore that our very own John Youngerman
: made the master build for this model (after
: my continuous nagging :D).
:
: St. Andrew class or Invincible class were
: the two rumored names for this class of
: battlecruisers which were revolutionary
: designs. The original plan name was G3. A
: lot of designs were run for new BC and BB
: concepts, battlecruiser names were run from
: F-K and BBs from L-O. The number indicated
: the number of guns per turret. G3 was the
: design chosen for the BC and worked out in
: detail. Due to the Washington Treaty
: construction did not proceed.
:

Message Thread:

Neptun planned future release - Norm Johnston 11/7/2009, 1:56 pm
- Re: Nomenclature of the planned "G3" class - David K. Haynes 11/8/2009, 10:07 am
  - Re: Nomenclature of the planned "G3" class - Tim H 11/8/2009, 1:23 pm
    - Re: Nomenclature of the planned "G3" class - David K. Haynes 11/9/2009, 6:01 am
      - Re: Nomenclature of the planned "G3" class - Tim H 11/9/2009, 7:05 am
- G3 class that is - Akos 11/7/2009, 2:03 pm
  - Generally commenting . . . - SanDiegoShipMan 11/8/2009, 8:54 am
    - Re: Generally commenting . . .revolutionary - Akos 11/8/2009, 12:38 pm
      - Re: Generally commenting . . .revolutionary - SanDiegoShipMan 11/9/2009, 8:35 am
        
        Re: Generally commenting . . .revolutionary - John Youngerman 11/9/2009, 12:09 pm
        
        Re: Generally commenting . . .revolutionary - SanDiegoShipMan 11/9/2009, 12:20 pm
    - Re: Generally commenting . . . - Akos 11/8/2009, 12:36 pm
    - G3/Nelson configuration - Kevin Stewart 11/8/2009, 9:58 am
  - Ron Hughes Balsa G3 - Kevin Stewart 11/8/2009, 7:00 am
  - Re: G3 class that is - Bob Weymouth 11/8/2009, 6:27 am
    - Re: G3 class that is - Roger Dawson 11/8/2009, 2:49 pm
    - Re: G3 class that is - Akos 11/8/2009, 12:35 pm
  - Re: G3 class that is - Norm Johnston 11/7/2009, 2:54 pm
    - Re: G3 class that is - John Youngerman 11/8/2009, 3:25 pm
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--Previous Message-- : All nice models! The G3 and similar designs : have been described as : "revolutionary" but probably the : only thing revolutionary was the huge guns : they would have carried. : : I have never been able to understand why the : awkward gun turret (main and and secondary) : and machinery arrangement was put into these : designs. Somebody got hung up on the : inadequate turret arrangement of the early : Dreadnought-type battleships and the first : battlecruiser designs. In my opinion, the : arrangement was not even a logical : development in the evolution of the beam : turrets in early BBs/CBs, culminating inthe : LION class CBs. Kudos to the designer who : managed to save something of this inadequate : design that resulted in the NELSON & : RODNEY. : : If the designers wanted : "revolutionary" then they should : have recognized that the only : "revolutionary" design of turret : arrangement was that of the Queen Elizabeth : class BBs--two forward, superimpposed and : the same aft, machinery in the middle. That : and a three-turret arrangment like the Iowa : class probably cannot be improved upon in a : lineal sort of gun arrangement in a : battleship, which is merely an object that : is extended in the axis of it movement--a : long, swift battleship. : : The G3 and similar designs looked like : something that came out of the star ship : Enterprise's transporter when someone set : the controls wrong! Beam me up, Scotty! : : --Previous Message-- : Hi Norm, : : I have a little involvement with this : project. Probably it's not a big secret : anymore that our very own John Youngerman : made the master build for this model (after : my continuous nagging :D). : : St. Andrew class or Invincible class were : the two rumored names for this class of : battlecruisers which were revolutionary : designs. The original plan name was G3. A : lot of designs were run for new BC and BB : concepts, battlecruiser names were run from : F-K and BBs from L-O. The number indicated : the number of guns per turret. G3 was the : design chosen for the BC and worked out in : detail. Due to the Washington Treaty : construction did not proceed. : : :

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