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Posted by SanDiegoShipMan
on 10/11/2009, 10:42 am, in reply to "Re: Ain't no Framburg model . . ."
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I have seen some "modified" copies of a few Delphin, Trident and Hansa models and I recall that some were done after these companies folded. Some copies retained the company logo and were pretty much direct copies, i.e., not modified at all. I have about two Grifo models--if you mean the Italian model company--the cruisers Trento & Trieste--both mainstays of my Italian Navy collection, but other Grifo models I've had were not as good as these two and I didn't keep them.
As an aside, back in '82 I bought out Coker's (CokerCraft) Hansa German Navy models--kits & complete models. (Ditto--Trident kit models.) So, I had a lot of Hansa kits to build & paint and they have been a source of building & painting fun for decades now. However, I kept most of the Hansa kits unfinished and was rewarded for my patience by the recent publishing of Painting guides for German Navy ships and the Colourcoats authentic colors for them. I have seen pirated copies of a few in kit form, but the difference is obvious and I always returned them.
Hal Reynolds and Cy Broman made me copies of missing parts from many of these kits so I was able to complete otherwise incomplete models. Sources of this quality of custom-casting have dried up.
--Previous Message--
: Well, Bill, if I buy an Argonaut from you and
: it has the right kind of logo etc on the
: bottom I presume it is a real Argonaut. When
: I buy a Neptun from a dealer or off an
: auction site from Oliver Maertens and it has
: the right logo and number etc then I presume
: it is a real Neptun. Ditto Trident, Konishi,
: Delphin, Hansa...not so sure about Ensign,
: Grifo, et alia.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Unfortunately, beginning back in the 1970s,
: just as the Xerox machine and the computer
: turned everybody into a publisher, rubber
: mold-making material made everybody into
: producers of 1:1200 ship models. This
: includes Metal Miniatures, Red Ensign, and a
: few others whose names I have forgotten.
:
: Metal Miniatures in the 1970s began
: producing their line of ship models. Even
: though the masters for the models came from
: Comet, Framburg, South Salem Studios,
: Wiking, Mercator, Trident, Star, Neptun,
: Navis and other producers, the entire line
: was, for a time advertised as
: "Framburg" models. I should know,
: because I provided Metal Miniatures with
: more than 20 to 30 plus out-of-production
: models with no copyright protection, to use
: as masters or prototypes for MM ships. This
: included Comet and Framburg models and some
: South Salem studios models, not some of the
: others listed above, most of which were
: still in production.
:
: This, of course, was false. Not
: deliberately so, but intended more as a
: tribute to a great line of ship i.d. models
: from WWII. After all, the owners of MM were
: model railroad experts, not ship
: enthusiasts.
:
: So, many new collectors who come across
: models claimed as Framburg under the trade
: name Metal Miniatures, have been mislead
: into believing that many non-Framburg models
: are, indeed, castings of real Framburg
: models. Of course, the collectors would
: know this only if they possessed a copy of
: the original MM list and actually owned or
: at least seen all of the models offered
: under the banner "Framburg"
: models.
:
: The Albatross model came from a Comet (near
: as in can tell) model. Framburg never made
: a model of the Albatross--and damn few other
: ships, as the 1:1200 line was limited to a
: little more than fifty individual ship
: models.
:
: Good luck, collectors. Do you really know
: who made your models?
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: This week’s conversion returns to youthful
: fancies and has more than a few things wrong
: with it. The main issue is synchronicity,
: as the late 1945 paint scheme would have
: been applied when Albatross was already
: stripped as a repair ship. She had also
: left Australian service to become a simple
: “HMS.” But so be it. With the “mea culpas”
: out of the way, she is a pretty good
: illustration of the way I was enhancing
: Framburgs and Superiors in the 1970s.
:
: The work employed all the usual techniques I
: was using in this period. File off all
: molded-in detail to obtain a flat deck
: surface and take it from there. The guns,
: as most of you will recognize, are Superior
: US 5”/38 open mounts, the boats and rafts
: are Schlingelhoff plastic castings, the mast
: is surplus from a Navis pre-dreadnought, and
: all of the bulwarks and tubs are fashioned
: from sheet copper bent to shape.
:
: I sold this model to Robert Liu in Monterey
: last spring and hope he is enjoying it as
: much as I am enjoying his little book.
:
: Best to all.
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