Posted by Tomislav on October 7, 2003, 9:29 am, in reply to "Re: Tomislave and Stjepan........" ZA DOM SPREMAN --Previous Message--
very good points. Pavelic left while Stepinac stayed...says a lot about the two men. I do respect what the Ustase were fighting for and for what Pavelic wanted(an independant Croatia) but sort of like draza mihajlovic(who was killed by the communists after the war) Pavelic should've stayed and either kept fighting or accepted his faith along with his people would've been the more honourable thing to do(like what Stepinac did and Stepinac was no soldier or politician or did he do anything wrong to others or even suggest or propogate wrong should be done to others within the NDH. Its just when Serbs try to portray the Ustase in a bad light they should be defended by Croatians because who the hell are the Serbs to be the ones to give us insight and advice on who is good and bad?
: The rank and file like my grandfather and your
: grandfather and many others who served
: Croatia believing they were doing the right
: thing at the time. The people who never
: sought any kudos, headlines or attention.
: People who didn't exploit the situation to
: benefit themselves through crimminal or
: immoral practices. People who couldn't hurt a
: fly yet are forever labelled brandished as
: Nazi/ Ustase/ Fascist genocidal Croatian
: scum. People who didn't have the choice of
: fleeing to a comfortable exsistance who were
: slaughtered were they stood. They are my
: heroes and they are the ones I wish to follow
: in thier fotsteps.
: I do not believe in branding everyone with
: the same brush. Like in the past 10 years or
: so do you say that everyone involved in the
: HDZ is corrupt and incompatent just becuase
: some of thier leaders have been? NO! My
: father like others is a stuanch supporter of
: the HDZ and has given alot of time and money
: to thier party yet is 100% honest and an
: honourable human being. While I may disagree
: with him on some political views he is no
: less a Croatian than anybody else. I don't
: believe in guilt by association at all.
: I agree with you that they were not a popular
: movement brought to power by the will of the
: people. I am all for democracy and democratic
: principuls and practices.
: I also stated that Ante Pavelic was not a
: good leader to see if anyone would disagree.
: I can state many more examples of were he did
: wrong however the last topic was not
: exclusively about him and maybe a topic for
: another day.
: Breifely I will make two points I veiw
: Italian imperilism, expantion and ambition on
: Croatia no different to Hungarian, Serbian or
: whoever else feels that way inclined. I would
: stop it with every means at my disposal. Like
: I said before I veiw all Croatians as the
: same and all of our regions with impartiality
: unlike some Croats who stupidly espouse that
: some Croats are less Croats for one reason or
: another.
: My second point is I believe if you live by
: the sword you die by the sword. Pavelic
: should have stayed and suffered the same
: consequences as the poor people the
: supposedly cared so much about. Or was it a
: case of looking after his own interest like
: he had done all along.........? I do not wish
: to turn this into a Pavelic bashing exercise
: but facts are facts and all history owes the
: dead is the truth!
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