Posted by Sharon |
- I got sick with the flu
Posted by Marijanne
on October 24, 2009, 10:35 am, in reply to "about that flu shot..."
67.142.130.39the one time I got a shot... Stated that a while back to someone who said that it wasn't possible to do that.... Ummm excuse me... call it what you want a reaction, a bug bite, maybe the needle went in wrong... but I got sick, violently sick. I will never forget that because I had never had a flu until I got that shot many years back.
I agree with you Sharon... a lot of things that people say the are allergic too is not that they are allergic, its their body saying it doesn't know what your giving it, so is reacting accordingly. My daughter always sends an inhaler with my grandson when he comes here for a visit. Do you know, he never needs it when he is here and believe me he has the cats, ferets, dogs, horses and all their affiliated foods all over him on top of all the dirt he is exposed too...
I am with you, would much rather eat the dirt out in our pasture/fields than what the goverment gives us... my dirt is clean! ! !
- Well, Patrick and I had no option
Posted by Karla on October 25, 2009, 9:25 am, in reply to "I got sick with the flu"
67.188.93.9due to chemo and radiation - I am a compromised person. I doubt I will get a swine flu shot though. - Re: I got sick with the flu
Posted by Sharon
on October 24, 2009, 10:40 am, in reply to "I got sick with the flu"
69.237.118.70yep, good clean dirt is good for kids! All this over-sanitation stuff kills off good bacteria and alters our tissue structures. Nothing wrong with washing your hands... it's a good habit. But people have gone too far in insulating themselves from the benefits of nature. - Yup, agree
Posted by Marijanne
on October 24, 2009, 10:48 am, in reply to "Re: I got sick with the flu"
67.142.130.39and if we're not careful the good ole gov will take it away from us cause its bad for us...
- no...
Posted by Sharon
on October 24, 2009, 10:50 am, in reply to "Yup, agree"
69.237.118.70...they'll just tax us for using. Oh wait, they already do. - LOL...
Posted by Marijanne
on October 24, 2009, 10:58 am, in reply to "no..."
67.142.130.39Yeah... we got "pay-dirt" here...
- Because................
Posted by Ron on October 24, 2009, 9:56 am, in reply to "about that flu shot..."
99.196.64.56We're told to. I don't take some stuff my doctor tells me to. He just sits there and smiles. I tell him "If I get sick, that's why I have you." He just sits there and smiles. He's a great doctor.
As for horses, we don't give all the shots that the vets want to give. Their immune system will build against this stuff. If I were showing them and have them around other horses all the time I would consider it. People need to trust mother nature more. Sure, crap can happen but that's part of life. I think we worry about stuff that is just part of life. - When the vet tried to...
Posted by Sharon
on October 24, 2009, 10:18 am, in reply to "Because................"
69.237.118.70...shame me into WNV, he chastised, "Don't you realize that 50 percent of the horses who get WNV die a horrible death?!" and I said, "50 percent? Does that take into consideration the untold thousands who have gotten it in our state alone and nobody knows about it because they showed no outward symptoms?" ...and he was stone cold silent. Didn't say another word about it. Maybe he hadn't even considered that fact for all I know.
It wasn't an easy decision for me because virtually every horse owner I knew was going for the shot and of the opinion that those who did not were making a risky choice. Maybe so... life is full of calculated risks. But I read and read and watched and finally found two vets who were against the vaccine for all the same reasons I had concluded. That gave me a little relief, but I'm not afraid to do what I think is right. That's why I had my baby born at home. Didn't want to subject myself (and her) to the high cesaerean rate in our county, nor have her eyes treated for STD, nor get an episiotomy. Damn if anyone is going to do that crap to me or my child just because it's "routine," with no emergency required.
Like I said, we have become deadened to common sense, and our arrogant medical community believes their mutilations of the body are better than letting the body do what it was made to do, and has done throughout time.
Tommy and I get out and get dirty every day around manure, chickens, horses, dogs, garden, etc., and I think that's why we maybe get sick once every decade.
Glad you have a tolerant doctor. With you as a patient, he needs to be, LOL. - The vet tried to talk me into the WNV vaccine...
Posted by SandyC on October 24, 2009, 5:37 pm, in reply to "When the vet tried to..."
69.72.117.151This was the second season it was in the area. I told her I didn't see a lot of horses getting the virus. She said it was because there were a lot of horses getting the vaccine.
She couldn't explain why there weren't more birds..such as crows, bluejays getting the WNV...hmmmmmm - Re: When the vet tried to...
Posted by Ron on October 24, 2009, 10:28 am, in reply to "When the vet tried to..."
75.104.160.36Hey...watch it. My doctor is not just tolerant, he knows exactly were I'm coming from and I think he agrees with me. I had a good doctor in Oregon also. We sat a talked one time and I asked him...."People say we should have a checkup every two years. Is this necessary?" He just sat there and looked at me for a long minute, then said...."Are you sick? If not, there's no need for that." I can't remember the last time we had a vet out. OH....we had the vet out a few months ago because Oley coliced....but that's it.
My son and his first wife had their daughter at the doctors every time she got a runny nose, and for any other reason. We seldom ever took him to the doctor....you would think he learned. I told him he was crazy and needed to start thinking for himself. - here we go: "Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Obama declares swine flu emergency
Posted by =d= on October 24, 2009, 9:27 am, in reply to "about that flu shot..."
75.105.41.179Obama declares swine flu emergency
WASHINGTON (AFP) – President Barack Obama has declared swine flu a "national emergency," the White House said Saturday, as the United States reels from millions of cases of infection and over 1,000 deaths.
The emergency declaration, signed by the president late Friday, enhances the ability of medical treatment facilities to handle a spike in influenza A(H1N1) patients by allowing them to implement emergency plans thanks to federal requirement waivers.
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Normal flu kills 23,000 ppl per year. .. so when does 1,000 deaths constitute an emergency? .. When it's an excuse to implement total government control?
You can count on barry using this politically. That's the 'Chicago Way'. .. and it was EXPECTED. Alinsky's rule: "Never let a good crisis go to waste" (we talked about barry using the H1N1 as a "crisis" in June & July) By declaring an "emergency", with Obama in the White House, it’s clearly another power-grabbing move, intended to set aside the normal rule of law. (not that he's ever let the law or the constitution get in his way)
He's at liberty to declare Marshall Law. - I'm kinda wondering how many children...
Posted by Sharon
on October 24, 2009, 10:18 am, in reply to "here we go: "Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Obama declares swine flu emergency"
69.237.118.70...who get the shot are going to show up sterile when they reach adulthood. I was watching a film on how the government has been perfecting sterilization through vaccines and testing it in Africa. Women were saying they aborted right after getting vaccines. This doctor in the film said it has been tested and it does work. Falls right in line with the UN's depopulation plans.
This all reminds me of a man I worked for back in the early 1980's. He grew up wanting to be a doctor; went to medical school for years and then got frustrated because they only taught 2 days of nutrition in all those years, so he gave up his dream and figured he'd help more people if he became a nutritionist and opened a health food store. He was very successful and had a big loyal following. I drove by there the other day... still seems to be thriving. My daughter quit being a nurse this year, after 5 years of it. She said she fell in love with her patients, especially the old ones, but got tired of administering drugs she knew were damaging them and all the paperwork involved. Maybe one day she'll find a good holistic practice to work with. There are a number of them around the country... medical people who have stepped outside the AMA boundaries and educated themselves.
Anyway, when you read up on it, you see there's way too much conflict of interest in this vaccine issue. The pandemic to me, is the panic that is being perpetrated.
Well, I'm off to photograph my little nephew's football game! His first year and they want to make him quarterback. I hear he's made a touchdown at every game. He's such a quiet little boy. He LOVES his sports. - Well, I guess the silver lining behind your theory
Posted by RBrasher on October 24, 2009, 10:23 am, in reply to "I'm kinda wondering how many children..."
71.38.123.205is that there'll be more conservative kids than libs! LOL! I'm just teasing folks! - haha...
Posted by Sharon
on October 24, 2009, 10:28 am, in reply to "Well, I guess the silver lining behind your theory"
69.237.118.70I told exactly that to Tommy the other night. Yes, it was a joke... funny, too, because growing up, it was all the liberal "live naturally" folks that influenced me away from the standard, dull and depressing medical news that droned on every day. Gave me hope that we ARE in charge of our health and lives. And now, here it's oddly the liberals who are largely promoting and rushing out to get vaccines. The power of obama-hypnotism.