Posted by Vengerin
on 6/10/2012, 11:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Requiem script detail"
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: It's always been my opinion that Venger's motives are
: considerably more complex as a villian. He does not seem to see
: himself as evil overall. He always appeared to me, at least, to
: be driven toward a specific goal. He had reasons for
: subjugating or destroying Tiamat that had nothing to do with the
: act itself. I wonder if his goal is less cryptic and at once
: more sublime. I think he wants to conquer to Realm in an
: attempt to unite it against "He Who has No Name".
: Yes, he refers to the nameless one as his master, but on the
: other hand - he's not happy to see him when he comes calling..
: As if Venger has a plan, and now his timetable has been
: completely tossed out.
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: I think that Venger believes that Dungeon Master is not up to
: the task, and so Venger is enforcing order on Realm, in order to
: have a united front.
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: How does this fit into the topic at hand? The Weapons would
: shortcut that process considerably, by removing Tiamat and
: perhaps Dungeon Master from the board. At the very least, the
: Weapons would no longer be used AGAINST him, which I think is
: why he is somewhat relived or content when he believes that they
: are destroyed in the crash.
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: Just my two cents =)
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: Venger will never be the typical saturday morning villain.
: Never.
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: He doesn't burst into laughter (sure he smiles, he smirks, but
: he never laughs hysterically like a regular Skeletor), he
: doesn't want to destroy (the proof to that is Treasure of
: Tardos, he's really concern about the welfare of the Realm) and
: he doesn't tell how evil he is.
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: One of my friends, who is a psychologist, always says that the
: real villains in the world never consider themselves as villains
: and she always uses the example of Adolf Hitler.
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: In the case of Venger, I really think he wants to conquer but
: not for the conquest itself, but for another motive, like he
: thinks he could be better for the Realm.
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: In fact, months ago I was ready to start a D&D new play with one
: of my friends acting as DM (usually I'm the DM >_ ): If you
: craft a story that could explain it, you can go. So I wrote a
: story in where Venger is curious about his destiny and his power
: and he creates not a clone but a version less powerful as
: himself... a noob version of himself, so to speak, to see him
: grow in another world in his own, Forgotten Realms, and see how
: he could develop. In that story I wrote a phrase for Venger that
: the other version of himself ended up saying too: All could be
: more easy for everyone if they let me to rule it all.
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: I think that's the core idea with Venger. For that I don't have
: a problem to see him both as a conquerer and a good ruler. Of
: course he's up to do everything whatever the cost but also I
: think he can do the things right.. for his point of view, almost
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: And for the matter of not showing passion for the weapons in
: Requiem... besides what I said about that episode in my first
: post, I really think that, in the ones were Venger act as the
: same, is because he has at hand something equally or more
: powerful: the Circle of Power in the Skeleton Warrior episode,
: the ship in the Lost Children's one and Teri in the episode of
: the Girl who dreamed tomorrow one. Also with the dragonbane is
: the same, he's more interesting in that thing that in the
: weapons because is what he needs.
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: I think Venger's priority is to kick out the only creature that
: could kill and for that he seeks more power, again, not for the
: power itself but power with a purpose.
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: You are right about real villains never thinking of themselves
: as being evil-doers, with Hitler being the prime (but, alas, not
: the only,) example; I am fairly certain that Pol Pot slept like
: a baby.
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: That is the main reason why I like Venger as a Big Bad better
: than Voldemort, who was more of a cardboard cut-out villain at
: best, and a two-bit punk at worst. Venger definitely sees the
: Big Picture, and like most real-life dictators and warlords, he
: has no qualms about breaking however many eggs he feels that he
: must break to make his omelets.
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: Voldie on the other hand, just likes to break eggs . . . .
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: In comic book terms, Venger is more like Ra's al Ghul, while
: Voldie is more like the Joker.
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: I have located the "radio broadcast" of
: "Requiem" on You Tube, and plan to listen to it in
: full later today. Though I have known about Michael Reaves
: unmade final "D&D/C" episode for some time now, I have
: as yet neither heard nor read it. I think it is about time that
: I did so; especially since it is referenced so often on this
: site.
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I like Ras but, funny, I have a more easy time seeing Venger as Sinestro from the Green Lantern's lore than to Ras Al Ghul. Sinestro saw his home world in jeopardy and he used all the power he got from the ring to do it... He thought he needed to slave his own world to achieve peace? He did it. Also when the Guardians of Oa learned about that thanks to that run-and-tell of Hal Jordan and he lost the ring, he ended up creating the Sinestro Corps... Not because he wanted power, but because he thought the Guardians were too soft to protect the galaxy.
Also he had a daughter and, knowing not everyone could see his actions like he did, he hid with all his power the truth from Soranik Natu, her daughter, to let her a chance to live in peace (but when she entered in the Green Lanterns she ended up knowing the truth).
That's a guy not only a good father but someone that want the welfare for everyone... no matter what. But also he's loyal to his men and he loved his daughter. Ras, in the other hand, is whiling to sacrifice Talia, his father, his men, even Damian, to achieve his goals.
Venger isn't like that. In the Quest of the Skeleton Warrior he strokes softly the mane of his nightmare, in the Prison without walls he rescued his men before his own collosus could crush them, in that same episode he speaks very friendly with his orc captain (the orc even step near the throne when Venger is about to sit again... that is body language for familiarity)... A guy like that or a guy that let the children go after the Tardos Keep story or someone that rescued them and turned wargs into puppies in the Kelek's one (in the place of just kill the beast or turn them into stone... I know, saturday morning cartoon for children, but turn into stone is ok with that) isn't the kind of guy that is about to go all Ras Al Ghul in the ass of the world 
Besides, yes... My favorite HP caracter is Severus Snape followed for Sirius Black (thought I really liked a lot Neville in the last book ) but also I liked Voldy but he's so cookie-cut villain, with his muhahahahas and killing fashions... But I don't think in him like the Joker also... He's just like that with killing and stuff but Joker has a method in his madness, a style, a reason... Voldy... It's the mudblood who wants to kill mudbloods because they are mudbloods and remember him that he's mudblood... For me it's like a child in a tantrum that wants to kick all the guys in the playground because he's fat and underconfidence. Joker, in the other hand, just wants madness, chaos... He looks the world through a broken mirror and wants to show that broken mirror to everyone... if they like it or not
And yes, you should hear or read Requiem if you didn't... I have it in my edition of dvds and... well, I read it twice (the second time was to make sure I read it correctly) and heard it once... Then I forget it for the good of my sanity XD
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