Re: Could Venger really have done what he threatened to do . . . .
Posted by Vengerin on 5/21/2012, 7:24 am, in reply to "Could Venger really have done what he threatened to do . . . ."
: In the Season 1 episode, "The Box," Venger follows the
: Young Ones to Earth through the portal opened by Zandora's Box.
: He then demands that the Young Ones give him their weapons or he
: will, if memory serves, ". . . reduce your world to a
: burnt-out cinder!"
: He then destroyed a hot-dog stand, and a Ferris Wheel to make
: his point.
: But, given what was shown in the series, could he REALLY have
: made good on his threat, either single-handedly, or with his
: army of Orcs, Lizard Men, and Bullywugs, and subjugated our
: For the purpose of this discussion topic, I am assuming that the
: Earth depicted in the series is OUR world.
: It is not part of the Marvel Universe; Venger will not have to
: face Dr. Strange or The Avengers. Nobody named Harry (either
: Potter or Dresden,) will be there to challenge him. As Venger
: starts blasting everything around him, no newspaper reporter
: named Clark Kent will excuse himself, and duck around a corner.
: And if Venger attempts a "tactical retreat" back to
: The Realm, SG-1 will not be going through the stargate on a
: search and destroy mission.
: My own opinion is that even with his magic, Venger is basically
: a Medieval Warlord, and he and his armies would be no match for
: late Cold War era mechanized infantry.
: I base my opinion largely on the scenario described in the
: Vertigo Comics "Fables" series, specifically the
: graphic novel "Sons of Empire," which describes a
: likely outcome if a magical, medieval world attempts to attack a
: mundane, late 20th, early 21st century world. (I highly
: recommend the series, if you have not read it.)
: But again, that is only my opinion. I would love to hear other
: opinions, especially ones different from my own. I just might
: have missed something . . . .
: In any event, I hope this topic stimulates conversation, if
: nothing else.
Well, for once I think Venger is bluffing with that one.
But we also have to take into consideration the knowledge of Venger about Earth. He knew from Earth before the events of 'The Time Lost' or he studied this world just to that plan?
If we assume he studied Earth just to use the Crystal of Kronos, we could assume Venger was bluffing, if not...
Difficult to say, but outside of that, we could get some inside from typical fantasy tales and from the D&D tabletop game.
For the Fantasy genre side, he could die here... maybe doing a lot of damage but eventually the paradigm of this world could have kill him by itself taking or assuming that Venger is a magical creature. His magic won't last and without magic he couldn't possible pull the 'Elminster's trick' that he uses to live through buildings collapsing in the top of him and things like that.
But if we take that the magic things usually doesn't work here, but Venger's magic did (the weapons didn't have magic here, also the amulet from 'The Beauty and the bog-beast') and assuming he has a spellbook repertoire typical for a mage in his level in the tabletop game, we could assume he could achieve total domination over the planet without a sweat.
He only needed to throw some dominate person around to key individuals, use some Summon monster IX and with a good bunch of abjurations spells (Protection from arrows works in every projectille object, even bullets; Resist energy for explossions and using things like Protection from Good and Fire Shield people attacking him could take damage even without him doing a thing) he could do practically whatever he wanted.
And even if we take only the spells from D&D that we saw him using in the cartoon series... teleport, fireball, greater transmutation, summon monster IX... and with the innate resistances he showed up in the series, like to fire or cold... Yeah, even just with that I think he could manage to do it. And without any magic user around to battle him...
I think this is a tricky question and with so little showed about Venger in the cartoon (sorry, for my 24 episodes where Venger showed up aren't enough ) we could assume a lot of things ^^
Ps: It's been a while since I posted here last time... Busy, busy, busy... Glad to see Helix still standing, guys ^^
Ps2: Btw, I'm writing a fanfic about the cartoon in english and uploading it to Fanfiction.net. The fanfic is very long (over 160 pages in doc ) and my english gramma still sucks but I would love if you guys read it... with an open mind ^^ It's called 'Not only humans nature' and it's rated M for violence, adult themes and so on ^^
See ya, guys ^^
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