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Posted by Ray
on 4/23/2009, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: Afternoon Recreation"
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Apology accepted Mark, albeit not necessary, and I'll reiterate mine for having inconvienced you. You are, unfortunately, one of the few members who share my crazy passion for flying, i.e. flying first, the social stuff fun but secondary. Long ago, in Belgium, a minimal crew showed up on an apparently minimal day. The only qualified winch operator there just wanted to go home. I threatened to lay down on the ground behind his rear wheels (he couldn't go forward). He called it. I laid down. He backed up till his tires almost touched my precious bod (he had a spotter). I didn't move. Then he got out, in disgust, and began to prep the winch. And the day turned out fine after all.
For the late-day fanatics, here's something to chew on. Suppose two pilots want to play in the valley effect. Let everyone elso go home. Then, the two can certainly safely put the one or two ships away (wind permitting). Or, why not leave the venerable 1-26 tied out for the summer? Wouldn't degrade it much more than it already is, especially if we used tarps. Would be a welcome relief to congestion in the hanger. One person could easily tie it down...and I still have a Schweizer wing-tip wheel somewhere. Well?
--Previous Message--
: I appologize Ray, I should not have brought up
: the details here. All I really wanted to
: point out is that better commuication is
: perhaps needed. And that in a situation
: like this one, the lions share of the
: responsiblity for that communication resides
: with the pilot.
:
: This is the perfect forum for point this
: out. As a club, we may even decide that
: policy is in order.
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: Hi Mark,
:
: Thanks for your conciliatory, candid, and
: fence-mending note. You are absolutely
: correct that communication is key here. I
: know you realize by now I didn't stay up
: there out of some perverse desire to
: aggravate people waiting to go home. For
: decades, the "modus operandi" of
: our club was to fly till the lift quit. Even
: then, those "late day flyers" were
: always responsible for putting the ship(s)
: away themselves. Back then, the process was
: simpler, as they were tied out. Since
: getting our hanger, the packing, which can
: be done by two or three competent people, in
: fairness should involve the participation of
: the entire afternoon "flying
: crew".
:
: Your note only requires two clarifications.
: Although there was no OPS manager, I did
: check with Rick Roman as to whether anyone
: wanted the Bergefalke, he said no, and no
: doubt it would have been put away if I
: hadn't taken it. I did request a call if
: anyone wanted to reach me "for any
: reason". Rick did call well before my
: call, but unfortunately he used the # on the
: website, which is defunct, and which I have
: been trying to change for two years (the
: correct # is 716.560.2059). Communication.
: Eventually everyone else had landed, no one
: took another tow to join me, so I suspected
: the usual "after flying refreshment
: party" was ongoing. To make sure, I
: placed a call at 5:47, only to find people
: were waiting to go home. Being "an hour
: overdue" generally implies someone is
: waiting for the ship, which was definitely
: not the case. If being "an hour
: overdue" means all ships are supposed
: to land by 5 PM, I was not aware of this. I
: have been told the day officially ends at 5,
: and of course am more than willing to abide
: by this, but...nowhere in the OPS Rules or
: Club Bylaws could I find this dictum.
:
: It's unfortunate the thread I initiated has
: morphed from meteorology to manners. I'm
: getting no feedback whatsoever re the met
: discussions. Is anyone out there even
: reading them? If not, I'm wasting my time.
: Also, I suggest we terminate the
: "manners" discussion, the Message
: Board isn't the right forum.
:
: Oh yes, the other clarification. My call was
: initiated at 5:47, duration 47 seconds. I
: landed at 6 PM (+/- 20 sec). So, from ~
: 3,400' AGL, I was on the ground in ~12
: minutes. Not "mill around for an
: additional 30 minutes". You are no
: doubt familiar, Mark, with the well-known
: phenomenon of time-distortion as a function
: of mental state. The al-Qaida beheading of
: Eugene Armstrong took about 36 seconds (the
: spine is, as anyone familiar with butchering
: knows, difficult to saw through with a
: knife), yet to that poor soul it must have
: been an eternity.
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi Ray,
:
: I may have given you an incorrect impression
: that I disagree with this late afternoon
: flying. I don�t, my time was wasted in
: that
: by the time I figured out what was going on,
: I did not have a chance to join you, all I
: could do was watch while wondering when I
: would be able to go home.
:
: Since you made no prior arrangements with
: anyone, combined with no operations manager,
: perhaps a call to the field was in order to
: confirm that there was a �party�
: actually
: taking place. That call should have taken
: place long prior to being an hour overdue.
: Once you received the message that there was
: no party and everyone on the ground was
: ready to leave, I would like to think your
: priority would have been to land as-soon-as
: possible, rather than mill around for an
: additional 30 minutes.
:
: All that was really missing was
: communication. How can we communicate
: better? What are we missing? Ask yourself
: these questions; Do I have a way to
: communicate with the field if I am overdue
: with this club plane? If I am waiting for a
: club plane that is overdue, would I know if
: they are attempting communication?
:
: If we communicate, we call all get what we
: want out of this.
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