Tao Speaks: Going with the flow

Going with the flow

Posted by gar on 5/15/2011, 5:30 am, in reply to "Re: Between Worth and Worthless"
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--Previous Message--
: --Previous Message--
: Greetings all,
:
: From our good friend's blog, Bao Pu points
: to Zhuangzi's "Avoiding entanglements
: and living out one's natural lifespan."
:
: This parable works on the assumption that
: living out onefs natural lifespan
: (I‘´“V”N) is desired/valued. Passing
: between the extremes of being useful and
: useless is a fairly good course of action,
: but avoiding all entanglements can only be
: achieved by being extremely flexible,
: elusive and unpredictable and gtaking
: harmony for your measureh (ˆÈ˜aˆ×—Ê).
: Likewise, gavoiding
: entanglements/attachmentsh (–ÆŒÁ—Ý) is
: valued as well.
:
: To me this is where the rubber meets the
: road. Being extremely flexible, elusive and
: unpredictable and "taking harmony for
: your measure" allows us freedom from
: our own desires.
:
: Perhaps this philosophy is exemplified when,
: producing an art piece that is composed of
: its elements and guided by its nature.
:
:
:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kleckerburg1_2006_08.jpg
:
: in peace,
: gar
:
: gar,
:
: I can touch my toes
:
: And wiggle my ears.
:
: I am nothing
:
: And everything.
:
: To want to be free from one's desires is
: itself a desire, and as such an infinite
: regression.
:
: What I want is not to have my desires beat
: me up, or beat up anyone else for that
: matter. Moderation in all things, including
: moderation.
:
: I do not want to separate myself from any
: part of myself for such separation is more
: problematic than any aspect of my being.
:
: When a person takes a position that is
: against a natural aspect of his or her being
: an un-natural aspect often arises.
:
: What I would like to be separate from is the
: notion that I am separate from anything that
: I experience.
:
: ButchO

Greetings Butch0,

Perhaps what gar is suggesting is a philosophic disposition that has a preference for non-separation.
In order to proceed towards alignment one is not ruled by one's desires of self but is able to be ruled by taking harmony for your measure.

It seems to me Butch0 that as we become flexible and undefined we lose the part of self that wants the world to be as it is perceived, not as it is.

In gar's view it's not about getting rid of all of one's desire, but being open to the way of the way.

It's been suggested that in order to gain something we lose something. What is it we lose, if not the sense of selfassurance.

in peace,
gar

P.S.
Humble pie is hard to eat if we don't shit out some Ego. IMO.

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Message Thread

Between Worth and Worthless - gar 5/14/2011, 5:41 am
- Re: Between Worth and Worthless - ButchO 5/14/2011, 11:00 pm
  - Going with the flow - gar 5/15/2011, 5:30 am
  - Re: Between Worth and Worthless - josef 5/15/2011, 2:10 pm
    - Re: Between Worth and Worthless - gar 5/15/2011, 2:41 pm
      - Re: Between Worth and Worthless - ButchO 5/15/2011, 10:35 pm
        
        Re: Between Worth and Worthless - josef 5/16/2011, 10:08 pm
        
        Re: Between Worth and Worthless - ButchO 5/17/2011, 8:15 am
        
        Re: Between Worth and Worthless - josef 5/17/2011, 12:15 pm
      - On Desirelessness - josef 5/17/2011, 12:18 pm
        
        Re: On Desirelessness - gar 5/17/2011, 12:40 pm
        
        Re: On Desirelessness - josef 5/17/2011, 1:58 pm
        
        Re: On Desirelessness - ButchO 5/17/2011, 10:52 pm
- Re: Between Worth and Worthless - Wayne L 5/17/2011, 10:44 am
  - Re: Between Worth and Worthless - ButchO 5/17/2011, 10:58 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : --Previous Message-- : Greetings all, : : From our good friend's blog, Bao Pu points : to Zhuangzi's "Avoiding entanglements : and living out one's natural lifespan." : : This parable works on the assumption that : living out onefs natural lifespan : (I‘´“V”N) is desired/valued. Passing : between the extremes of being useful and : useless is a fairly good course of action, : but avoiding all entanglements can only be : achieved by being extremely flexible, : elusive and unpredictable and gtaking : harmony for your measureh (ˆÈ˜aˆ×—Ê). : Likewise, gavoiding : entanglements/attachmentsh (–ÆŒÁ—Ý) is : valued as well. : : To me this is where the rubber meets the : road. Being extremely flexible, elusive and : unpredictable and "taking harmony for : your measure" allows us freedom from : our own desires. : : Perhaps this philosophy is exemplified when, : producing an art piece that is composed of : its elements and guided by its nature. : : : : : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kleckerburg1_2006_08.jpg : : in peace, : gar : : gar, : : I can touch my toes : : And wiggle my ears. : : I am nothing : : And everything. : : To want to be free from one's desires is : itself a desire, and as such an infinite : regression. : : What I want is not to have my desires beat : me up, or beat up anyone else for that : matter. Moderation in all things, including : moderation. : : I do not want to separate myself from any : part of myself for such separation is more : problematic than any aspect of my being. : : When a person takes a position that is : against a natural aspect of his or her being : an un-natural aspect often arises. : : What I would like to be separate from is the : notion that I am separate from anything that : I experience. : : ButchO : : Greetings Butch0, : : Perhaps what gar is suggesting is a : philosophic disposition that has a : preference for non-separation. : In order to proceed towards alignment one is : not ruled by one's desires of self but is : able to be ruled by taking harmony for your : measure. : : It seems to me Butch0 that as we become : flexible and undefined we lose the part of : self that wants the world to be as it is : perceived, not as it is. : : In gar's view it's not about getting rid of : all of one's desire, but being open to the : way of the way. : : It's been suggested that in order to gain : something we lose something. What is it we : lose, if not the sense of selfassurance. : : in peace, : gar : : P.S. : Humble pie is hard to eat if we don't shit : out some Ego. IMO. :

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