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Posted by rat on 4/22/2011, 8:45 am, in reply to "Re: words & getting personal"
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: rat,
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: Actually, I am not an Advaitist. Nor am I a
: Dvaitist for both are merely relative
: concepts. The true nondualist has taken a
: perspective that includes but subsumes both
: advaita and dvaita. But even the word
: nondualist is at the end of the day just
: another way of pointing to that which is
: beyond words. It is just that some words are
: closer to the curve in the road. Some words
: are more relative to the absolute than
: others. Especially when they are placed
: within the appropriate context.
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: "Purist" Advaita is a fixation on
: the whole as if it can be quantified. One.
: Numerically. Such a fixation is at the root
: of much of our number one fallacy. The Myth
: of One. Such thinking is fundamentally
: egoistic. Solipsistic. Self-centered. A type
: of thinking that leads to all manner of
: perversions where the nature of existence is
: concerned. Such is the path of Maya.
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: Where the whole is concerned it is better to
: say it is like a unitive one than is one.
: "One" leads to all sorts of
: distortions of reality.
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: One is the loneliest number that you will
: ever do
: Two can be as bad as one
: It's the loneliest number since the number
: one
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: Paradoxically, if not ironically, the number
: one divides what is by nature whole. It cuts
: off that part of existence that gives it its
: dynamism. The whole is greater than the sum
: of its parts. Greater than One. But less
: than Two. Undivided. Nondual. Whole.
: Synergetic.
:
: But you don't want anymore a'stinkin'
: concepts. You want the real deal. You want
: it your way. What do you think Tao Speaks
: is, Burger King?
:
: I kid. All I can tell you rat is you won't
: find it out there anywhere. It is a journey
: to the interior. Be gentle on yourself. I
: know you can do it. Entertain the soft and
: the hard will loosen its grip.
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: ButchO
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: Its no problem Butcho, like I said, we each
: think that the other one thinks the way they
: do for psychological reasons. Nothing wrong
: with that.
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: love,
: rat
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: rat,
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: In psychological terms my approach is
: qualitative, measured through direct
: experience.
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: Yours seems to be more a quantitative
: approach. Statistical.
:
: Different strokes for different folks.
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: ButchO
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: Oh I have no doubt of the plausibility of
: your approach being qualitatively better
: than mine Butcho. Your overall score also
: might be higher than mine. I am certain of
: almost nothing. I only have suspicions. I
: gladly share these with you.
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: love,
: rat
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: rat,
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: It does my heart good to hear that you will
: no longer take it personal if I am
: suspicious of your suspicions.
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: As long as I am not suspicious of you that
: is.
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: I was not suggesting that you are a
: pedophile. What I was trying to get you to
: see is that a pedophile might use the same
: exact words you used when you said that you
: don't have any fundamental restrictions.
: That your only interest is in enjoying
: yourself.
:
: Mightn't that be exactly what a pedophile is
: doing, is saying, at least to himself. Or
: potentially anyone else that has suppressed
: a natural desire only to have an unnatural
: desire come to the fore.
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: Do you not see this? Or am I just full of
: shit? If I am a savant in somethings as you
: suggest, then I am probably an idiot in
: others as you imply. If I seem paranoid it
: is because there are people watching me.
: Help me out here. Help me to understand how
: it is that your words I have questioned are
: not licentious.
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: You have not offered a retraction. You have
: not restated your position. All you have
: done is become indignant and in your way
: make personal attacks against me. I have
: tried to make excuses for you with little to
: show for it. I have tried to lighten up the
: conversation only to have you bob and weave
: your way away from the topic at hand.
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: In your opinion, do our words matter? Do our
: actions matter? Does anything matter?
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: ButchO
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These are great questions Butcho. And they deserve a well thought out response. Why does the sage, with no fundamental ethical rules, behave in a way that most people,rightly or wrongly, see as more ethical than the non-sage?
When I get back to Virginia in two weeks I will try to respond intelligently and sincerely. Until then I will stick with lighter stuff. Like wishing you success looking for Easter eggs.
love,
Raymond
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