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Posted by ButchO
on 4/20/2011, 10:01 am, in reply to "Re: words & getting personal"
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: ButchO, I like well-said words, like these
: of
: yours, that express much with simple
: clarity.
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: "The ego cannot see beyond itself.
: Transcendent insight only comes about when
: the ego is transcended. Not destroyed, seen
: through."
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: josef,
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: And I too often find your words quite
: eloquent.
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: imo rat is feigning playing the devil's
: advocate here. That is I detect a certain
: defensiveness in his words where the ego is
: concerned. He seems to be struggling with
: something but I as yet have not been able to
: get him to share his angst in any way I can
: get a handle on. rat is a pretty smart rat
: where the maze of the ego is concerned.
: Maybe a little too smart for his own good.
:
: Such is the nature of the ego left to its
: own devices. His, mine, and yours. We are
: all to a degree, no matter how enlightened
: in our spirit or sophisticated in our
: thinking, products of our environment. Even
: the Buddha had a hard time getting a handle
: on the equality of women. We all have our
: inconsistencies. None of us are perfect, at
: least very few to date, where our
: integration of Being and Becoming are
: concerned.
:
: I think it is a mistake to become anal about
: anything. To over'anal'ize anything. To make
: much ado about nothing. Of course I never
: make such a mistake. No I don't. Ok, well,
: there was this one time but until rat comes
: clean I ain't saying nothing.
:
: About rat's buddy that died in Vietnam.
: Obviously his death still haunts rat.
: Perhaps 'haunts' is too strong a word. Still
: concerns rat. The only thing I can think of
: to say is that ultimately we were never born
: and so cannot die for we are essentially
: energy. Spirit if you will. A reality that
: transcends the body/mind complex. The
: process of our being is eternal. We are the
: process. We are the Tao.
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: ButchO
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: Hi Butcho
:
: "struggling with something"
:
: That could be. And, on the other hand, I
: suspect you are struggling, like many
: people, with your mortality. That is why
: you say (like a good advaitist):
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: "cannot die for we are essentially
: energy. Spirit if you will."
:
: It is very nice for me, that neither of us
: minds getting personal here, getting
: psychological, so to speak. You point out
: purported psychological deficiencies in me,
: and I do the same favor for you.
:
: Here's a net definition: Advaitism - One
: perspective on one; the non-duality view of
: existence; beingness without separateness.
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: love,
: rat
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rat,
Actually, I am not an Advaitist. Nor am I a Dvaitist for both are merely relative concepts. The true nondualist has taken a perspective that includes but subsumes both advaita and dvaita. But even the word nondualist is at the end of the day just another way of pointing to that which is beyond words. It is just that some words are closer to the curve in the road. Some words are more relative to the absolute than others. Especially when they are placed within the appropriate context.
"Purist" Advaita is a fixation on the whole as if it can be quantified. One. Numerically. Such a fixation is at the root of much of our number one fallacy. The Myth of One. Such thinking is fundamentally egoistic. Solipsistic. Self-centered. A type of thinking that leads to all manner of perversions where the nature of existence is concerned. Such is the path of Maya.
Where the whole is concerned it is better to say it is like a unitive one than is one. "One" leads to all sorts of distortions of reality.
One is the loneliest number that you will ever do
Two can be as bad as one
It's the loneliest number since the number one
Paradoxically, if not ironically, the number one divides what is by nature whole. It cuts off that part of existence that gives it its dynamism. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Greater than One. But less than Two. Undivided. Nondual. Whole. Synergetic.
But you don't want anymore a'stinkin' concepts. You want the real deal. You want it your way. What do you think Tao Speaks is, Burger King?
I kid. All I can tell you rat is you won't find it out there anywhere. It is a journey to the interior. Be gentle on yourself. I know you can do it. Entertain the soft and the hard will loosen its grip.
ButchO
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