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Posted by ButchO
on 4/19/2011, 8:16 am, in reply to "my mud pie"
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: And in fact there is no way to tell
: if anything is really wrong. Unless you
: know a way?
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: No. I don't know a way, rat. But were I to
: restrict my freedom to declare
: "wrongness," that would make me
: less content.
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: Therein, perhaps, lies the difference in our
: respective practices.
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: Hi Steve
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: I don't have any fundamental restrictions.
: My only interest is in enjoying myself.
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: love,
: rat
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: rat,
:
: Said the pedophile to the man in blue.
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: ButchO
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: Maybe you enjoy that sort of thing Butcho,
: but I do not.
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: love,
: rat
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: Greetings rat,
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: It seems to me what Butch0 was pointing to
: is, without a fundamental conscience we tend
: to be a psychopath.
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: Perhaps it might help us in what is posted
: here is not to be taken personally.
:
: in peace,
: gar
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: I don't take it personally gar.
:
: What I would point out is that different
: folks enjoy themselves in different ways.
: When I do what is in my best self-interest
: (what I most enjoy) it does not appear to
: harm others any more
: than when I don't act in my best
: self-interest.
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: I don't enjoy doing what Butcho described,
: it does not seem to be in my best self
: interest.
:
: By the way, Butcho seems to think he can
: behave selflessly. I suspect this is
: self-deception.
:
: Laozi: "Why do I put my agenda aside?
: It is simply to get what I want."
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: What I want and what Butcho wants might not
: be the same.
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: love,
: rat
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:
: rat,
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: I think you want your cake and eat it too.
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: Yes, I can behave selflessly. I can also act
: selfishly. I can act in many ways. There is
: a time and a season for every type of
: acting.
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: It is ok to be grumpy at times. All joy and
: no grumpiness makes rat a dull boy. I feel
: your pain.
:
: I want World Peace.
:
: As for what steers us. I would say that one
: of the best guides is getting in tune with
: the vibrations of the way of our own innate
: Being. With our own higher self. Our
: unconditioned or original self. I think
: there is a lot to be said for mantras. Bach
: and Mozart. Gregorian Chant. And of course
: the Beach Boys. Beatles too.
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: I'm digging those good vibrations. Good,
: good, good, good vibrations. All you need is
: love.
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: If it don't resonate you must acquit.
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: Hope you get to feeling better soon.
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: ButchO
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: No problem Butcho. I suspect you are
: deceiving yourself when you say you can act
: selflessly. I understand; we all want to be
: special. And like you, I am better at
: seeing the dirt in my brother's eye, than
: seeing the mud
: pie in my own.
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: love,
: rat
:
rat,
Technically speaking you are of course correct. "I" cannot act selflessly for to be selfless there is no "I". At least not in the conventional sense. Not in the separate sense. Nothing is separate from the whole except in thinking it so.
ButchO
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