Tao Speaks: is it laozi's dao ?

is it laozi's dao ?

Posted by wulf on 4/19/2011, 3:40 am, in reply to "Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute?"
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--Previous Message--
: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly
: -
: evil - benevolent? ... absolute?
:
: -----------------
:
: From my (Steve's) perspective, I think yes.
: Nature can seem brutal at times (a tsunami)
: or benevolent (a newborn baby).
:
: From the perspective of the dao, I think the
: tsunami and the baby are undifferentiated.
: One and the same. An ongoing, evolving
: process. They are both "coming into
: being" and "going out of
: being," simultaneously and beyond any
: distinctions my human mind can draw.
:
: When I look closely, I can sense both
: perspectives at play in the same moment.
:
: How such a thing is possible is a great
: mystery.
:

Steve

Steve's perspective is interesting
Steve's nature reflects emotionally natural events...
Steve personalizes dao - giving it a perspective.. a view... reflecting Steve's ability for understanding dao
and enjoys the mystery...

But is it laozi's dao?
in ddj 25 we can find a description of laozi's idea of dao...
describing it as ji4 寂
the old version

points to its essential feature
the interaction of matter (roof + vertical line) and energy (wave)
it is before heaven and earth...
dao is in heaven and earth - but heaven and earth is not dao..
"all chinese are humans - but: all humans are not chinese"
dao is in Steve's emotions - but Steve's emotions are not dao4
dao is in gold and shit - but gold and shit are not dao4...
--
in xiuzhen tu one can find these symbols
雨 + 斗 + 火
雨 + 亘 + 月
雨 + 肉 + 月
i understand it as an explanation for 常 / 恆道 chang2 / heng2 dao4

dou3 斗 is big dipper + polar star - symbolizing a centering power
亘 A boat passing from 一 one bank to the 一 other... or a spiral between influencing poles
- you can interprete it as yang

肉 matter
you can interprete it as yin

everything in this world seems to be an interaction of energy and matter trying to maintain a center...

is it absolute? - interaction ...- is it absolute?
yi yin yi yang zhi wei dao
i think:
there is no emotion...

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can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - wulf 4/18/2011, 8:45 am
- Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - rene 4/18/2011, 9:41 am
  - Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - wulf 4/18/2011, 11:56 am
    - Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - rene 4/21/2011, 11:25 am
- Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - Steve 4/18/2011, 1:13 pm
  - is it laozi's dao ? - wulf 4/19/2011, 3:40 am
    - the symbols as picture - wulf 4/19/2011, 3:46 am
    - Re: is it laozi's dao ? - gar 4/19/2011, 5:13 am
      - Re: is it laozi's dao ? - wulf 4/19/2011, 8:00 am
        
        Were's the sun? - gar 4/19/2011, 10:31 am
        
        Re: Were's the sun? - wulf 4/19/2011, 12:32 pm
        
        Re: Were's the sun? - gar 4/20/2011, 6:17 am
        
        Re: Were's the sun? & indeterminability - rat 4/20/2011, 6:58 am
        
        Re: Were's the sun? & indeterminability - wulf 4/20/2011, 10:05 am
        
        Re: Were's the sun? & indeterminability - rat 4/20/2011, 10:53 am
    - Re: is it laozi's dao ? - josef 4/19/2011, 12:01 pm
      - Re: is it laozi's dao ? - wulf 4/20/2011, 10:08 am
- Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - isabeau 4/21/2011, 11:54 am
  - Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - wulf 4/21/2011, 2:18 pm
    - Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - isabeau 4/23/2011, 1:31 pm
      - nobility as result of daoist practise - wulf 4/24/2011, 10:07 am
        
        Re: nobility as result of daoist practise - isabeau 4/25/2011, 8:28 am
- Re: can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly - evil - benevolent? ... absolute? - Wayne L 5/5/2011, 11:56 pm
  - absolute? - wulf 5/6/2011, 1:13 pm
    - Re: absolute? - Wayne L 5/6/2011, 10:11 pm
      - Re: absolute? - wulf 5/7/2011, 6:32 am
        
        codes - rene 5/7/2011, 5:36 pm
        
        Re: absolute? - Wayne L 5/7/2011, 10:36 pm
        
        Re: absolute? - wulf 5/8/2011, 7:09 am
        
        Re: absolute? - Wayne L 5/9/2011, 2:19 pm
        
        Re: absolute? - wulf 5/10/2011, 6:50 am
      - Re: absolute? - gar 5/7/2011, 7:30 am
        
        Re: absolute? - Wayne L 5/8/2011, 1:01 am
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--Previous Message-- : : --Previous Message-- : can laozi's dao be noble - beautiful - ugly : - : evil - benevolent? ... absolute? : : ----------------- : : From my (Steve's) perspective, I think yes. : Nature can seem brutal at times (a tsunami) : or benevolent (a newborn baby). : : From the perspective of the dao, I think the : tsunami and the baby are undifferentiated. : One and the same. An ongoing, evolving : process. They are both "coming into : being" and "going out of : being," simultaneously and beyond any : distinctions my human mind can draw. : : When I look closely, I can sense both : perspectives at play in the same moment. : : How such a thing is possible is a great : mystery. : : : Steve : : Steve's perspective is interesting : Steve's nature reflects emotionally natural : events... : Steve personalizes dao - giving it a : perspective.. a view... reflecting Steve's : ability for understanding dao : and enjoys the mystery... : : But is it laozi's dao? : in ddj 25 we can find a description of : laozi's idea of dao... : describing it as ji4 寂 : the old version : : points to its essential feature : the interaction of matter (roof + vertical : line) and energy (wave) : it is before heaven and earth... : dao is in heaven and earth - but heaven and : earth is not dao.. : "all chinese are humans - but: all : humans are not chinese" : dao is in Steve's emotions - but Steve's : emotions are not dao4 : dao is in gold and shit - but gold and shit : are not dao4... : -- : in xiuzhen tu one can find these symbols : 雨 + 斗 + 火 : 雨 + 亘 + 月 : 雨 + 肉 + 月 : i understand it as an explanation for 常 / : 恆道 chang2 / heng2 dao4 : : dou3 斗 is big dipper + polar star - : symbolizing a centering power : 亘 A boat passing from 一 one bank to : the 一 other... or a spiral between : influencing poles : - you can interprete it as yang : : 肉 matter : you can interprete it as yin : : : everything in this world seems to be an : interaction of energy and matter trying to : maintain a center... : : is it absolute? - interaction ...- is it : absolute? : yi yin yi yang zhi wei dao : i think: : there is no emotion... :

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