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Posted by rat on 4/17/2011, 3:08 pm, in reply to "Gar's two cent theroy"
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: I am not overly fond of the word I picked
: for this (“realization”) but perhaps Steve
: or Rene will come up with a better one.
: “Rule” will probably not fit, because
: rulessness is also important to this “rule.”
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: Anyways, what Rene and Steve are pointing
: out,
:
: (and other then these two, no one else but
: Zhuangzi seems to have come up with this
: “rule.”) (I would like to think I also
: found it, independently, which I did to some
: extent, but probably did not plumb the
: depths of it, until Steve and Rene pounded
: it into my head, nagging me to tears. At
: least that is how I am remembering it today)
:
: what they are pointing out is worth talking
: about. Even if we are forced to use words
: to do this.
:
: so I invite everyone to discuss the
: Rene/Steve liberation ("blank")
: one of the most significant realizations in
: the history of wisdom literature.
:
: I will start by saying: wherever a
: transcendental signified (absolute) is
: posited, there is a big loss of freedom.
:
: love,
: rat
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: The thread sort of started here:
: Me:
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: Ok Steve, I agree to debate this topic. I
: have always enjoyed your input. I will get
: started tomorrow. One thing I think you
: are taking issue with is his: "When
: sincerity is unconditional, it unveils
: itself." I think you Steve might
: say"it is always unveiled"? Am I
: on
: the right track?
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: Steve:
:
: I'd say it is omnipresent and always in our
: line of vision, Raymond. For a variety of
: reasons we sometimes sense separation from
: it, but that is (what the Hindu mystics
: might characterize as) illusion. It is (as
: Laozi says) THIS! or THAT! or HERE!
:
: No separation. Nothing to unveil. Immediate.
:
: If in this particular moment or that one I
: don't "feel" the above, there's no
: problem. My personal chemistry and filters
: can be fickle at times.
:
: (I've always enjoyed our discussions, rat,
: and look forward to revisiting this topic.)
:
:
: Greetings all,
:
: Ok. Lets suppose for whatever reason that i
: came to believe that to be truly
: liberated, i would need to cultivate
: non-singularity. Perhaps then gar would
: become "gar's", plural, and would
: not hold a position but hold all positions.
: Gar would then have to let go of the innate
: desire to exist as a singularity. Without a
: desire to survive why not walk into the path
: of a speeding car or get drunk with Steve?
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: Ture liberation sounds like the desire of a
: depressed suicidal person. Whereas existing
: as a perceived singularity while in love
: with all, "sorry rat the word love just
: doesn't work for me here" perhaps
: wu-wei-ing, guides me towards a fulfilling
: life.
:
: in peace,
: gar
:
: P.S. After writting these words i've asked
: myself a question.
:
: Does Dao have a purpose?
:
Hi gar, I think Dao is like gravity, a description of how a certain phenomenon works. Maybe whatever generated gravity and Dao has a purpose.
love,
rat
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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