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Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view

Posted by rat on 4/16/2011, 1:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view"
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--Previous Message--
: Hi Steve, I have no problem with
: predestination and "no free will".
: I approach things "as if" I have
: free will. And so I can subjectively report
: to you that I sense improvement from
: cultivation. this may of course be a
: complete illusion.
:
: -----------------
:
: And even if it were illusion, rat, what
: would that matter? It's not like there's
: any objective test for any of this. None of
: us will be called to give evidence to The
: Board of Enlightenment that whatever we do
: (or don't do) is having certifiably real or
: effective results.
:
: If what I'm doing (or not doing) in this
: realm of human experience pleases me, I'd be
: a fool to stop doing it.
:
: So here's one for you:
:
: Can you/will you ever know that you have
: achieved your goal(s), and that it's okay to
: stop consciously practicing?

Hi Steve

My perspective tells me (only me) that it is okay for me to stop any kind of practice, and start, for example, getting drunk everyday. And in fact if I find out that that makes me happier, that is what I plan to do. I don't recommend this to others, nor do I recommend not doing it.

This might be where we agree:: Socrates says "An unexamined life is a life not fully lived" I don't subscribe to this assessment. (for me)

love,
rat

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The Rene/Steve realization of comprehensive liberation (jie 解 ) - rat 4/15/2011, 4:14 pm
- Re: The Rene/Steve realization of comprehensive liberation (jie 解 ) - rene 4/15/2011, 5:47 pm
  - my apologies - rat 4/16/2011, 5:27 am
    - no harm, no foul (-: - rene 4/16/2011, 10:04 am
      - Re: no harm, no foul (-: - rat 4/16/2011, 3:11 pm
- Re: The Rene/Steve realization of comprehensive liberation (jie 解 ) - Steve 4/15/2011, 6:53 pm
  - Re: The Rene/Steve realization of comprehensive liberation (jie 解 ) - rat 4/16/2011, 5:30 am
    - Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - rat 4/16/2011, 8:10 am
      - Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - Steve 4/16/2011, 9:10 am
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - rat 4/16/2011, 9:20 am
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - Steve 4/16/2011, 9:53 am
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - rat 4/16/2011, 12:06 pm
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - Steve 4/16/2011, 12:54 pm
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - rat 4/16/2011, 1:22 pm
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - Steve 4/16/2011, 1:49 pm
        
        Re: Liberation: my understanding of Rene and Steve's view - rat 4/16/2011, 3:09 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : Hi Steve, I have no problem with : predestination and "no free will". : I approach things "as if" I have : free will. And so I can subjectively report : to you that I sense improvement from : cultivation. this may of course be a : complete illusion. : : ----------------- : : And even if it were illusion, rat, what : would that matter? It's not like there's : any objective test for any of this. None of : us will be called to give evidence to The : Board of Enlightenment that whatever we do : (or don't do) is having certifiably real or : effective results. : : If what I'm doing (or not doing) in this : realm of human experience pleases me, I'd be : a fool to stop doing it. : : So here's one for you: : : Can you/will you ever know that you have : achieved your goal(s), and that it's okay to : stop consciously practicing? : : Hi Steve : : My perspective tells me (only me) that : it is okay for me to stop any kind of : practice, and start, for example, getting : drunk everyday. And in fact if I find out : that that makes me happier, that is what I : plan to do. I don't recommend this to : others, nor do I recommend not doing it. : : This might be where we agree:: Socrates : says "An unexamined life is a life not : fully lived" I don't subscribe to this : assessment. (for me) : : love, : rat : :

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