Tao Speaks: ti tao zhe, one who embodies dao

ti tao zhe, one who embodies dao

Posted by rat on 4/16/2011, 5:48 am, in reply to "Re: Maybe Raymond can help out here"
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: I am not sure how to fit in this discussion
: rene, but here is one citation of the
: daoguan from Zhuangzi:
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:
: ˆÈ“¹æV”VC•¨–³‹MæËGˆÈ•¨æV”VCŽ©‹MŽ§‘ŠæË
: Yi dao guan zhi, wu wu gui jian, yi wu guan
: zhi, zi gui er xiang jian.
:
: "From the dao's view no creature is
: noble nor mean, from a creature's view it is
: noble and others are mean."
:
: love,
: rat
:
:
:
: Yes, that's it, (-:
:
: Steve's words in the thread: "The
: perspective of the dao" - I was pretty
: sure I recalled them from somewhere.
:
: It just surprised me that BaoPu wasn't
: familiar with ZZ's daoguan, i.e., what Steve
: was trying to communicate - so I wanted to
: check with you. Thanks!
:
: warm regards
:
:
Hi rene

I like to take this even further, and suggest that, unlike Buddhism, the message here is that the person who embodies the dao (ti dao zhe 體道者) does not take the dao itself to be "noble," nor does she take her self to be noble. To deem something noble requires we exclude some other things as ignoble. Apparently a ti dao zhe does not do that. What say you?

love,
rat

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        Re: nobility - josef 4/16/2011, 12:37 pm
        
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        Re: both - rat 4/16/2011, 1:48 pm
        
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        Re: characterizations - rat 4/16/2011, 6:15 pm
        
        quick questions first - rene 4/16/2011, 6:36 pm
        
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        Re: quick questions first - rene 4/17/2011, 10:13 am
        
        Re: characterizations - rene 4/17/2011, 11:12 am
        
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        Re: characterizations - rat 4/17/2011, 5:03 pm
        
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        words - josef 4/20/2011, 7:01 am
        
        Re: words - ButchO 4/20/2011, 8:26 am
        
        Re: words & getting personal - rat 4/20/2011, 9:11 am
        
        bait - Steve 4/20/2011, 9:40 am
        
        Re: bait - rat 4/20/2011, 9:48 am
        
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        Re: words & getting personal - rat 4/20/2011, 10:51 am
        
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : --Previous Message-- : : : I am not sure how to fit in this discussion : rene, but here is one citation of the : daoguan from Zhuangzi: : : : ˆÈ“¹æV”VC•¨–³‹MæËGˆÈ•¨æV”VCŽ©‹MŽ§‘ŠæË : Yi dao guan zhi, wu wu gui jian, yi wu guan : zhi, zi gui er xiang jian. : : "From the dao's view no creature is : noble nor mean, from a creature's view it is : noble and others are mean." : : love, : rat : : : : Yes, that's it, (-: : : Steve's words in the thread: "The : perspective of the dao" - I was pretty : sure I recalled them from somewhere. : : It just surprised me that BaoPu wasn't : familiar with ZZ's daoguan, i.e., what Steve : was trying to communicate - so I wanted to : check with you. Thanks! : : warm regards : : : Hi rene : : I like to take this even further, and : suggest that, unlike Buddhism, the message : here is that the person who embodies the dao : ( ti dao zhe 體道者 ) does : not take the dao itself to be : "noble," nor does she take her : self to be noble. To deem something noble : requires we exclude some other things as : ignoble. Apparently a ti dao zhe does not : do that. What say you? : : love, : rat :

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