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Posted by ButchO
on 4/11/2011, 9:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Can I be sure I am doing good, on balance?"
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: (I wrote this on Facebook)
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: Facebook is evil.
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: - but your pages are nice.
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: Does that make for net-good?
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: p.s. I read your book. I'd tell you how much
: I enjoyed it but doing so would make someone
: else feel bad or whatever it is that will
: keep the Lord of the River Way uproared and
: I worry about that so I wont. But then again
: I could be wrong - so - consider it said.
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:-D
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: rene rat,
:
: ... People that raise such questions as rat
: has raised here are probably closer to the
: reality they are questioning than those that
: don't. On balance I would say rat is more
: balanced than not.
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: Those that don't care don't ask such
: questions.
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: Those that do care answer such questions the
: best they know how.
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: Lots of luck.
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: ButchO
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: Thanks rene and Butcho, even internet
: relationships can be of great value. Here I
: can be understood (not necessarily agreed
: with) and that is a great blessing, and a
: gift I might not find as often in the
: "real world." Which is another
: way of saying I love you.
:
: I am rewriting the book. Here is a draft on
: the new section on deliverance (jie)
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: Deliverance in apophatic mysticism is
: deliverance to the immediacy of ecstasy. I
: don’t take this to necessarily be
: deliverance by a God, nor another form of
: absolute, nor to “the end of all suffering.”
: I don’t take apophatic deliverance to be a
: deliverance from human mortality; I don’t
: necessarily see it as a final solution to
: human angst. All of these final notions of
: deliverance have interfered with my
: optimization of deliverance. Since
: apophatic liberation is simply a focus of
: naked psychic awareness to the fullness of
: the moment, any concern that takes our
: attention away from this moment reduces the
: intensity of deliverance. Rather than
: claiming to finalize anything, apophaticism
: optimally reduces the human’s natural
: dissatisfaction with the fact that there are
: apparently unsolvable existential problems
: which are part of life. We can't change
: these, but can reduce their negative
: valences to a remarkable degree.
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: What causes a person to feel good about life
: without any guarantees that things will
: continue to work out well for them, at
: least as long as they live? This
: “deliverance mechanism,” apparently evolved
: as human consciousness evolved. It was
: built into the human psyche by whatever
: agent caused it to be there, (e. g. perhaps
: a God, pure evolution, magic, take your
: pick, etc.) It is seen in one form or
: another in various religious traditions and
: also appears in a medical phenomenon which
: is called the “placebo effect.” In some
: traditions deliverance is understood to be a
: function of realizing immortality. A person
: from one of these traditions bases their
: fearlessness on the belief that they will
: live forever no matter what happens to their
: body. But there are other people who have
: been delivered, liberated from fear and
: worry, without any logical reason for being
: so delivered. These people have found the
: existence of a surprising phenomenon: A
: person can be delivered just by simply
: deciding that they will be delivered.
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: Perhaps the deliverance mechanism works as
: follows: When we surrender to the world as
: is, however that is, and dispense with all
: unproven hopes, (there is a God, there is no
: God, there is no mortality etc., etc.) we
: are thereby delivered across a more
: radically open field with increased force,
: and so spontaneously reach a higher degree
: of ecstasy. We “did nothing'” other than
: maintain a certain disposition. This is
: grace. The open field is this disposition;
: it is made up of the interplay of
: spiritual, psychological, and neurological
: dynamics.
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: Deliverance includes the realization of
: universal faultlessness, or “okayness;” the
: apophatic mystic senses that she and every
: other being are fundamentally acceptable
: just the way they are. She realizes a
: sense that nothing any being has every done,
: or is doing, can decrease their immutable
: worth.
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: love,
: rat
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rat,
I could be wrong but it seems to me that what you are saying amounts to "Stiff upper lip and all that rot!"
If or if not I admire your tenacity.
Personally, I am need of a break. I'll be back.
ButchO
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