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Re: xiao le utf 8

Posted by josef on 3/29/2011, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: xiao le utf 8"
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: Hi josef
:
: Definitely subjective josef. By the way
: I am ignorant of any absolutely objective
: data except what Plotinus said: "I know
: I am, but I don't know what I am." On
: the other hand, I do not know whether or not
: you have some objective data.
:
: Practical value: Is it
: experentially/practically useful to embody
: the dao, as ZZ suggests? Do I enjoy it?
:
: If so, he tells me, everything will have use
: for me, everything that happens to me, every
: object I encounter will have the same
: "gui," the same value. Shit will
: be as useful as gold.
:
: But that's only the way I read the notion of
: daoguan. Your reading has just as much
: validity as mine, imo. And is just as
: potentially useful (valuable) to me.
:
: love,
: rat

Hi, rat. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, but the statement "We learn that the daoguan
sees everything with immutable value" seemed illogical, even nonsensical to me. Value is comparative, only exists in mind as a measure, determined because of alternatives more, less, or no value. "the daoguan sees everything with immutable value" renders the word "value" meaningless. (Of no 'value'.)

Everything has value, nothing has value...both say the same thing: nothing. If its all or nothing, value doesn't apply. Either way, nothing's being said.

Value judgments are operative in the renguan experience, but not in the daoguan, imo.

just mine,
josef

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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Hi josef : : Definitely subjective josef. By the way : I am ignorant of any absolutely objective : data except what Plotinus said: "I know : I am, but I don't know what I am." On : the other hand, I do not know whether or not : you have some objective data. : : Practical value: Is it : experentially/practically useful to embody : the dao, as ZZ suggests? Do I enjoy it? : : If so, he tells me, everything will have use : for me, everything that happens to me, every : object I encounter will have the same : "gui," the same value. Shit will : be as useful as gold. : : But that's only the way I read the notion of : daoguan. Your reading has just as much : validity as mine, imo. And is just as : potentially useful (valuable) to me. : : love, : rat : : Hi, rat. I wasn't trying to be : argumentative, but the statement "We : learn that the daoguan : sees everything with immutable value" : seemed illogical, even nonsensical to me. : Value is comparative, only exists in mind as : a measure, determined because of : alternatives more, less, or no value. : "the daoguan sees everything with : immutable value" renders the word : "value" meaningless. (Of no : 'value'.) : : Everything has value, nothing has : value...both say the same thing: nothing. If : its all or nothing, value doesn't apply. : Either way, nothing's being said. : : Value judgments are operative in the renguan : experience, but not in the daoguan, imo. : : just mine, : josef :

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