Tao Speaks: Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida

Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida

Posted by gar on 2/15/2011, 8:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida"
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: Deconstruction = non-reification?
:
: Yes josef, I think it indicates nearly the
: same thing.
:
: From Wiki: "In Derrida's view,
: deconstruction is a tradition inherited via
: Heidegger (the French term
: "déconstruction" is a term coined
: to translate Heidegger's use of the words
: "Destruktion"—literally
: "destruction"—and
: "Abbau"—more literally
: "de-building").
:
: So perhaps deconstruction is de-reification.
:
: love, rat
:
: Hi, rat,
:
: That makes sense to me. The experience of
: spotting and dissembling reifications about
: nearly everything is an ongoing wonder to
: me. We lived reified lives, experience
: conceptually, emote to our conceptual
: interpretations. To experience reality
: directly, without all the attending
: thought-constructs is liberating.
:
: ZZ's double walk is being able, imo, to
: function in the world where everyone is
: living conceptually, understanding this, and
: be able to be free of it at the same time.
:
: I've talked alot in the past of the Taoist
: principle that so fascinate me, and how they
: are all aspects of the same freedom, the
: same direct, bare reality. Non-reification
: is attended by non-attachment, to our ideas,
: beliefs, opinions. The attachment falls away
: when we recognize that they are only
: concepts built by thought, memory,
: conditioning.
:
: It all becomes a dance, lighter and lighter,
: and always fascinating.
:
: josef
:
: "ZZ's double walk is being able, imo,
: to function in the world where everyone is
: living conceptually, understanding this, and
: be able to be free of it at the same
: time."
:
: This is excellent imo. Better than any
: scholar's explanation I have seen anywhere.
: love,
: rat
:
: Greetings rat
:
: It seems to me the problem lies in the sense
: that freedom is outside of conception.
:
: This idea of freedom seems just another
: filter that is perception.
:
: in peace,
: gar
:
: Yes, you are right gar. And that "begs
: the question."
: Nothing said is "the thing
: itself". However it does seem that
: "pointing at it" with words helps
: some folks find the experience itself.
:
: love,
: rat
:
Add a pinch of quietness and a dash of calmness and presto, a Zen moment.

in peace,
gar

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Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/12/2011, 7:21 pm
- Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - josef 2/13/2011, 10:32 am
  - Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/13/2011, 6:00 pm
    - Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - josef 2/13/2011, 7:36 pm
      - Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/15/2011, 6:37 am
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - gar 2/15/2011, 9:14 am
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - josef 2/15/2011, 11:35 am
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - gar 2/15/2011, 8:50 pm
        
        gratis_saker - ERBJUDANDEN 2/18/2012, 4:12 pm
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/15/2011, 12:55 pm
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - gar 2/15/2011, 8:41 pm
        
        liang xing and tian jun - wulf 2/16/2011, 3:38 am
        
        Re: liang xing and tian jun - rat 2/17/2011, 8:38 am
        
        Re: liang xing and tian jun - wulf 2/18/2011, 3:41 am
        
        Re: liang xing and tian jun - rat 2/18/2011, 7:05 am
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--Previous Message-- : : Deconstruction = non-reification? : : Yes josef, I think it indicates nearly the : same thing. : : From Wiki: "In Derrida's view, : deconstruction is a tradition inherited via : Heidegger (the French term : "déconstruction" is a term coined : to translate Heidegger's use of the words : "Destruktion"—literally : "destruction"—and : "Abbau"—more literally : "de-building"). : : So perhaps deconstruction is de-reification. : : love, rat : : Hi, rat, : : That makes sense to me. The experience of : spotting and dissembling reifications about : nearly everything is an ongoing wonder to : me. We lived reified lives, experience : conceptually, emote to our conceptual : interpretations. To experience reality : directly, without all the attending : thought-constructs is liberating. : : ZZ's double walk is being able, imo, to : function in the world where everyone is : living conceptually, understanding this, and : be able to be free of it at the same time. : : I've talked alot in the past of the Taoist : principle that so fascinate me, and how they : are all aspects of the same freedom, the : same direct, bare reality. Non-reification : is attended by non-attachment, to our ideas, : beliefs, opinions. The attachment falls away : when we recognize that they are only : concepts built by thought, memory, : conditioning. : : It all becomes a dance, lighter and lighter, : and always fascinating. : : josef : : "ZZ's double walk is being able, imo, : to function in the world where everyone is : living conceptually, understanding this, and : be able to be free of it at the same : time." : : This is excellent imo. Better than any : scholar's explanation I have seen anywhere. : love, : rat : : Greetings rat : : It seems to me the problem lies in the sense : that freedom is outside of conception. : : This idea of freedom seems just another : filter that is perception. : : in peace, : gar : : Yes, you are right gar. And that "begs : the question." : Nothing said is "the thing : itself". However it does seem that : "pointing at it" with words helps : some folks find the experience itself. : : love, : rat : : Add a pinch of quietness and a dash of : calmness and presto, a Zen moment. : : in peace, : gar :

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