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Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida

Posted by rat on 2/15/2011, 12:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida"
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: Deconstruction = non-reification?
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: Yes josef, I think it indicates nearly the
: same thing.
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: From Wiki: "In Derrida's view,
: deconstruction is a tradition inherited via
: Heidegger (the French term
: "déconstruction" is a term coined
: to translate Heidegger's use of the words
: "Destruktion"—literally
: "destruction"—and
: "Abbau"—more literally
: "de-building").
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: So perhaps deconstruction is de-reification.
:
: love, rat
:
: Hi, rat,
:
: That makes sense to me. The experience of
: spotting and dissembling reifications about
: nearly everything is an ongoing wonder to
: me. We lived reified lives, experience
: conceptually, emote to our conceptual
: interpretations. To experience reality
: directly, without all the attending
: thought-constructs is liberating.
:
: ZZ's double walk is being able, imo, to
: function in the world where everyone is
: living conceptually, understanding this, and
: be able to be free of it at the same time.
:
: I've talked alot in the past of the Taoist
: principle that so fascinate me, and how they
: are all aspects of the same freedom, the
: same direct, bare reality. Non-reification
: is attended by non-attachment, to our ideas,
: beliefs, opinions. The attachment falls away
: when we recognize that they are only
: concepts built by thought, memory,
: conditioning.
:
: It all becomes a dance, lighter and lighter,
: and always fascinating.
:
: josef
:
: "ZZ's double walk is being able, imo,
: to function in the world where everyone is
: living conceptually, understanding this, and
: be able to be free of it at the same
: time."
:
: This is excellent imo. Better than any
: scholar's explanation I have seen anywhere.
: love,
: rat
:
: Greetings rat
:
: It seems to me the problem lies in the sense
: that freedom is outside of conception.
:
: This idea of freedom seems just another
: filter that is perception.
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: in peace,
: gar
:
Yes, you are right gar. And that "begs the question."
Nothing said is "the thing itself". However it does seem that "pointing at it" with words helps some folks find the experience itself.

love,
rat

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Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/12/2011, 7:21 pm
- Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - josef 2/13/2011, 10:32 am
  - Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/13/2011, 6:00 pm
    - Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - josef 2/13/2011, 7:36 pm
      - Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/15/2011, 6:37 am
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - gar 2/15/2011, 9:14 am
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - josef 2/15/2011, 11:35 am
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - gar 2/15/2011, 8:50 pm
        
        gratis_saker - ERBJUDANDEN 2/18/2012, 4:12 pm
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - rat 2/15/2011, 12:55 pm
        
        Re: Zhuangzi and Derrida - gar 2/15/2011, 8:41 pm
        
        liang xing and tian jun - wulf 2/16/2011, 3:38 am
        
        Re: liang xing and tian jun - rat 2/17/2011, 8:38 am
        
        Re: liang xing and tian jun - wulf 2/18/2011, 3:41 am
        
        Re: liang xing and tian jun - rat 2/18/2011, 7:05 am
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Deconstruction = non-reification? : : Yes josef, I think it indicates nearly the : same thing. : : From Wiki: "In Derrida's view, : deconstruction is a tradition inherited via : Heidegger (the French term : "déconstruction" is a term coined : to translate Heidegger's use of the words : "Destruktion"—literally : "destruction"—and : "Abbau"—more literally : "de-building"). : : So perhaps deconstruction is de-reification. : : love, rat : : Hi, rat, : : That makes sense to me. The experience of : spotting and dissembling reifications about : nearly everything is an ongoing wonder to : me. We lived reified lives, experience : conceptually, emote to our conceptual : interpretations. To experience reality : directly, without all the attending : thought-constructs is liberating. : : ZZ's double walk is being able, imo, to : function in the world where everyone is : living conceptually, understanding this, and : be able to be free of it at the same time. : : I've talked alot in the past of the Taoist : principle that so fascinate me, and how they : are all aspects of the same freedom, the : same direct, bare reality. Non-reification : is attended by non-attachment, to our ideas, : beliefs, opinions. The attachment falls away : when we recognize that they are only : concepts built by thought, memory, : conditioning. : : It all becomes a dance, lighter and lighter, : and always fascinating. : : josef : : "ZZ's double walk is being able, imo, : to function in the world where everyone is : living conceptually, understanding this, and : be able to be free of it at the same : time." : : This is excellent imo. Better than any : scholar's explanation I have seen anywhere. : love, : rat : : Greetings rat : : It seems to me the problem lies in the sense : that freedom is outside of conception. : : This idea of freedom seems just another : filter that is perception. : : in peace, : gar : : Yes, you are right gar. And that "begs : the question." : Nothing said is "the thing : itself". However it does seem that : "pointing at it" with words helps : some folks find the experience itself. : : love, : rat :

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