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Posted by Butcho
on 5/14/2010, 6:06 am, in reply to "Re: Was Jesus a Taoist?"
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: Anyone that is interested might want to go
: to
: youtube and type in Jesus Christ Vs. St.
: Paul to watch a series of videos about the
: possibility that Jesus was a Taoist.
:
: Butcho
:
: Worked in the heat all day, so am headed for
: sleep, will watch the videos tomorrow. Years
: ago I read that some historians claimed to
: have serious evidence that Jesus in the
: "lost years", from age 30 to 33,
: traveled to the East and studied with
: masters and teachers there, that much of his
: teaching had a direct corollation to Taoist
: and Buddhist thought. Wish I still had the
: book, it had a list of Jesus quotes lined up
: with quotes from Chinese sources, almost
: word for word, some...again translations
: make for who knows, but it was interesting.
: Much of what is now Christianity has no
: foundation in Jesus's teachings.
:
: Interesting...
:
: josef
:
:
: Jesus believed in God...
:
: God, - according to bible - it is a
: personified power, able to influence the
: fate of human beings:
: Challenging, helping, punishing, rewarding,
: ...loving, caring for..., showing
: mercy,...forgiving.
: Human beings are seen as subject of God,
: handed over his mercy and arbitrariness...
:
: If you take a taoist as a person in line
: with laozi's Dao ....
:
: Dao in Laozi's thinking corresponds to the
: term nature:
: Laozi's Dao - according ddj 5 for example -
: is not a personified power, ... dao does not
: influence fate of humans specifically.
: Laozi's Dao shows the characteristics of
: nature - the complmenting of yin and yang -
: the characteristics of cycles...
: If human beings adapt to these
: characteristics of nature, they can take
: advantage... if they don't adapt ... there
: can be disadvantages.
: In nature we can find - what we describe as
: harmony, beauty... as well as things - what
: we describe as ugly and chaotic...
: ---
: do you see the fundamental difference?
:
: ren ying,
:
: Did you watch the video's on youtube?
:
: In regards to a question you once asked me,,
: we are neither sentient nor insentient as
: both are concepts.
:
: As far as Nature goes, the manifest is a
: manifestation of the non-manifest, of the
: Tao.
:
: All things, all objects, all concepts, are
: relative. Dualistic. Partial means Whole. To
: witness the nondual one must drop all of
: one's attachments to things, to objects, to
: concepts, including the notion of a separate
: self. One must take the leap to the other
: shore via intuition, not reason. Deductive,
: inductive, or otherwise. To fail to realize
: as much is to have one's cart before one's
: horse. One must learn to turn the light
: around. That is see that the Tao is
: fundamentally Negative, being neither
: negative nor positive. So empty it is full
: of emptiness, Void. "From the first not
: a thing is." Hui-Neng.
:
: From the first the Tao is. taos come and go
: like expressions upon the face of the Source
: of existence. One can discriminate one
: gesture from another, but one is
: hard-pressed to distinguish one from the
: other.
:
: Gotta go for now...
:
: Whether we agree or not it is always good to
: hear from you.
:
: Butcho
:
ren ying,
I am sorry, it was Bao Pu that asked me about what is sentient.
Butcho
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