Tao Speaks: Re: The word "Not"

Re: The word "Not"

Posted by butch &amp on 5/5/2010, 8:15 am, in reply to "Re: The word "Not""
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: --Previous Message--
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: Can we use the word "not" in
: inclusive thinking??
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: Yes,... if you use the chinese word BU ...
: ...
: in the moment- world divided to an
: "above" and a "below"-
: one thinks world as a whole existing of yang
: and yin...
: Bu describes the phenomenon of a bird
: cycling in the air - floating in between -
: representing powers of "above" as
: well as powers of "below"
: (explanation of bu in shuowenjiezi)
: --
: here we have not the dualistic thinking of
: the bible...
:
:
: ren ying,
:
: Why is it that I think you would burn all
: the Bibles in the world if you could?
:
: Forgive him Gutenberg, he knows not what he
: does.
:
: Our self-righteousness is as filthy rags.
:
: I AM THAT I AM and I are a unitive one.
:
: Look at all these things I have done Emperor
: Wu said to Bodhidharma. How much merit have
: I gained? What is my reward? Bodhidharma
: looked through Wu's ego and said no merit at
: all. Wu then asked Bodhidharma who he
: thought he was to talk to an Emperor in such
: a manner? I don't know replied Bodhidharma.
:
: The essential core of Taoism is pure Zen.
: The sages are pointing past
: conceptualization. Past conceptualization
: even of oneself. Past the conditioned sense
: of self some call the ego. Emperor and Zen
: Patriarch are just roles being played by I
: don't know what to call It so I call it the
: eternal Tao. Of course one might call It
: just about anything as long as one doesn't
: call it late for supper.
:
: I AM THAT I AM and Not-I that is therefore I
: are a unitive one. The non-conceptual Self
: of existence and the non-conceptual I are a
: unity.
:
: Words cannot convey Truth. All they can do
: is convey truth. Point indirectly at Truth
: via relative truth. To know Truth one must
: experience it without any conceptual
: filters, directly. All any word(s) can do is
: point where the existential is concerned.
: The self that can be named is not the
: eternal Self.
:
: Bu tcho

Non-conceptual (non-reified) attention remains for me, too, the key. As you say, words cannot convey truth. They cut reality into little pieces attached to concepts, thus the clear perception of awareness becomes obscured and overlayed with mentation. The practice of non-verbal, non-conceptual awareness is most fruitful! Old preconceptions and biases are revealed and melt away. Really, really liberating.

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For Josef - gar 5/2/2010, 11:11 am
- A day late, a dollar short - gar 5/2/2010, 11:31 am
  - Re: A day late, a dollar short - Butcho 5/3/2010, 9:10 am
  - a day even later... - josef 5/3/2010, 11:56 am
    - Re: a day even later... - Butcho 5/3/2010, 7:38 pm
      - Re: a day even later... - gar 5/4/2010, 5:33 am
        
        The word "Not" - gar 5/4/2010, 6:21 am
        
        Re: The word "Not" - Butcho 5/4/2010, 7:17 am
        
        Re: The word "Not" - ren ying 5/4/2010, 9:55 am
        
        Re: The word "Not" - gar 5/4/2010, 12:04 pm
        
        Re: The word "Not" - Butcho 5/5/2010, 6:14 am
        
        Re: The word "Not" - butch &amp 5/5/2010, 8:15 am
        
        Re: The word "Not" - butch &amp 5/5/2010, 8:37 am
        
        no - ren ying 5/5/2010, 9:25 am
        
        Re: a day even later... - Butcho 5/4/2010, 7:15 am
      - Re: a day even later... - josef 5/4/2010, 7:17 am
        
        Re: a day even later... - Butcho 5/4/2010, 10:30 pm
        
        Re: a day even later... - josef 5/5/2010, 7:00 am
        
        Re: a day even later... - gar 5/5/2010, 7:23 am
        
        Re: a day even later... - josef 5/6/2010, 12:19 am
        
        I Ching - butch & gar 5/5/2010, 7:41 am
        
        Re: I Ching - Butcho 5/5/2010, 8:41 pm
- Re: For Josef - equation 12/14/2012, 10:37 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Can we use the word "not" in : inclusive thinking?? : : Yes,... if you use the chinese word BU ... : ... : in the moment- world divided to an : "above" and a "below"- : one thinks world as a whole existing of yang : and yin... : Bu describes the phenomenon of a bird : cycling in the air - floating in between - : representing powers of "above" as : well as powers of "below" : (explanation of bu in shuowenjiezi) : -- : here we have not the dualistic thinking of : the bible... : : : ren ying, : : Why is it that I think you would burn all : the Bibles in the world if you could? : : Forgive him Gutenberg, he knows not what he : does. : : Our self-righteousness is as filthy rags. : : I AM THAT I AM and I are a unitive one. : : Look at all these things I have done Emperor : Wu said to Bodhidharma. How much merit have : I gained? What is my reward? Bodhidharma : looked through Wu's ego and said no merit at : all. Wu then asked Bodhidharma who he : thought he was to talk to an Emperor in such : a manner? I don't know replied Bodhidharma. : : The essential core of Taoism is pure Zen. : The sages are pointing past : conceptualization. Past conceptualization : even of oneself. Past the conditioned sense : of self some call the ego. Emperor and Zen : Patriarch are just roles being played by I : don't know what to call It so I call it the : eternal Tao. Of course one might call It : just about anything as long as one doesn't : call it late for supper. : : I AM THAT I AM and Not-I that is therefore I : are a unitive one. The non-conceptual Self : of existence and the non-conceptual I are a : unity. : : Words cannot convey Truth. All they can do : is convey truth. Point indirectly at Truth : via relative truth. To know Truth one must : experience it without any conceptual : filters, directly. All any word(s) can do is : point where the existential is concerned. : The self that can be named is not the : eternal Self. : : Bu tcho : : Non-conceptual (non-reified) attention : remains for me, too, the key. As you say, : words cannot convey truth. They cut reality : into little pieces attached to concepts, : thus the clear perception of awareness : becomes obscured and overlayed with : mentation. The practice of non-verbal, : non-conceptual awareness is most fruitful! : Old preconceptions and biases are revealed : and melt away. Really, really liberating. :

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