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Posted by Butcho
on 5/2/2010, 6:08 pm, in reply to "Re: How does a Taoist behave?"
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: I don't believe in Universal Love, at least
: not one that lacks an opposite. If it does
: exists, I would apply the verse- "When
: all the world recognizes beauty as beauty,
: this in itself is ugliness." (Wu
: Trans.)
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: Anyways, it doesn't seem to be a very Taoist
: concept, at least not for me. I say do away
: with love and the world will return to its
: natural state. In other words, 'don't do
: unto others, what you don't want them to do
: unto you.'
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: Aaron
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: It does not matter what one believes if one
: does not have love in one's heart.
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: Butcho
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: I don't believe this. My reason for this is
: because you use matter as a means to place
: social value on an action, when in fact
: actions are merely an action. Love is also a
: value we place on an action, when in fact it
: is merely an action.
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: To say "It doesn't matter what one
: believes if one does not have love in one's
: heart" is no more true than saying
: "It doesn't matter what one believes if
: one does not have hate in his heart".
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: I would say that it doesn't matter what one
: believes if one cannot examine his actions
: and see from whence they come.
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: Aaron
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: Aaron,
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: The Love I was speaking about is not the
: opposite of hate. Universal love has no
: opposite for it is unconditional. The
: love/hate dichotomy you speak to is false.
: You are right about that. False because both
: are dependent upon something else, both are
: conditional. Conditional love is the same
: thing as conditional hate.
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: The self-examination of the adept requires
: unconditional love. Otherwise it is just
: another head-trip. Just another solipsistic
: self-absorption.
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: One must get beyond cause and effect if one
: wants to see things as they are of
: themselves.
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: And yet the adept is not blind to causality.
: Though not of the world, the adept is still
: in it.
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: Love is the gravity of metaphysics.
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: Butcho
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: Aaron,
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: If you don't like the word love how about
: compassion. Do you see a place for
: compassion? Or are you simply against words
: in general?
:
: How about caritas? Agape?
: Butcho
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Twinner,
Besides, I am not talking in relative terms when I use the word love. The love I am talking about has no opposite. It is nonlove love. Noumenal love. Love without any attachments. Just luuuvvv!
Butcho
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