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Posted by Butcho
on 4/11/2010, 11:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Luther and wu wei"
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: By sin one thing I mean is anything that
: alienates one part of our being from the
: rest of our being. Anything that causes us
: to be fragmented keeps us from being our
: true selves. It does no good to deny an
: unsavory aspect of being. It is only through
: acceptance of our various parts that we can
: become what we are. We cannot become what we
: are not. In becoming what we are, in
: accepting all parts of our being, then and
: only then are we actually in a position
: where we can fundamentally change.
:
: The sage is a gestalt therapist. Not a get
: out of jail card. Ours is not a fixed
: reality. Existence is dynamic. More verb
: than noun. More process than structure.
: Those that say there is nothing to do are
: living in denial. They are denying the
: alienated aspects of their own being. We all
: have alienated aspects. We all do things
: contrary to the best interests of the whole
: of our being. There is always something to
: do, even sitting down and shutting up is
: something to do.
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: Butcho, I agree with the above. It seems our
: disagreement is that I "hear"
: religious connotations in the word
: "sin", and you don't, you see sin
: as: "anything that alienates one part
: of our being from the rest of our
: being", a much broader definition.
: Semantics again causing confusion, nothing
: new there.
:
: josef
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josef,
I am more into the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. The letter is written in stone. The spirit is written in the heart.
Anything that obstructs the heart violates the spirit of the law of liberation. Laws written in stone do not liberate. They imprison. Laws written in the heart open one up to the whole of one's being.
It is not enough to rebel against religious rules written in stone for the tendency is to simply replace them with our own rules. Rules that agree with us. The ego becomes god.
The goal of my practice is to have an unobstructed heart. An unfettered heart. The adept is insentient as to the rewards of merit. The adept does not do good for reward but because it is good. Doing the right thing is its own reward. It is one thing to be practical, quite another to be pragmatically motivated.
Pragmatism is the primary point where raymond and I part ways. I do not thing the adept is a pragmatist. She is not motivated by means justified by ends. Rather, for the adept the means are one's ends. The journey is the goal.
The adept is practical, natural and uncontrived, not pragmatic. Not so much clever as genuine. Anyone can be clever. Superficial. Being genuine goes down into one's bones. Perhaps my argument with raymond is semantic. But I don't think so. To me raymond seems far too interested in his ends even, in his words, if those ends are nothing more than the product of a placebo effect. He doesn't care about his means. I do. Raymond does not care how he comes by his bliss. I do.
Perhaps raymond will join in and add to our conversation. I hope so. I always find what he has to say of interest. He speaks for himself better than I do for him. If I have misrepresented him in anyway I hope he sets me straight.
Butcho
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