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Posted by josef on 3/21/2010, 10:42 am, in reply to "Luther and wu wei"
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: Martin Luther: "All have sinned and are
: justified freely, without their own works
: and merits."
:
: I think we can find some "apophatic
: value" in this, maybe even a lot. The
: sin part is not too useful to me. I cannot
: sense anything that I could coherently
: characterize as "sin." Sin from
: one perspective might we goodness from
: another.
:
: "Justified" is useful, I take it
: to mean "worthy." It is my sense
: that a person can realize her/himself to be
: worthy, without having to have done anything
: good. (And in fact I cannot find anything to
: characterize as coherently "good."
: It might be good from one point of view, and
: not another.)
:
: “without their own works and merits” is
: quite significant.
:
: If a person has the realization that she/he
: is unconditionally worthy, she/he will
: experience mystical ecstasy. As a
: side-effect, she will treat the rest of us
: very nicely. But if she thinks she needs to
: be good, in order to be a worthy being, she
: will not (according to this model) realize
: mystical ecstasy. The irony: She treats us
: worse when she thinks that to be worthy, she
: has to treat us well.
:
:
Rat, worthy...of what? Worth by what measure?
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