Tao Speaks: Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego

Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego

Posted by gar on 12/13/2009, 7:07 am, in reply to "Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego"
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: josef
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: But, how does true self present itself to
: us, if not in consciousness. Who is without
: consciousness?
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: in peace,
: gar
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: Oh, gar, even the word consciousness has
: different connotations in cross traditions,
: and I might argue true self doesn't
: "present itself to us" at all, but
: that would be meaningless, too.
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: We're trying to put verbiage onto
: experience, and it doesn't work well. I'll
: settle for, not willing to define
: consciousness, the use of awareness.
: Awareness just is. I use the words true self
: to represent what remains when the
: superfluous accretions of thought/memory are
: removed from awareness.
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: But trying to rework concepts into new
: concepts or better concepts is still stuck
: in reification, which is entirely
: counter-productive in learning the essence
: of mind in reality. It just is a waste of
: time. We try, in order to communicate, but
: frankly, the more words are used, the more
: reality spirals away and becomes mentation.
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: Experience matters. (imo) We can speak of
: that as clearly as words will serve (not
: much), that's it.
: I seriously doubt Freud and Lao Tzu would
: have any patience or interest in each other,
: or be able to find any common ground to
: communicate.
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: josef
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: Amen
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: in peace,
: gar
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: I think Freud and Laozi would both agree on
: the pleasure principle. We all do what
: brings us satisfaction. Whether it is
: stealing money from a bank or giving up our
: life to save another person's.
:
greetings rat,

An old Sumerian proverb, act promptly, make your god happy.

The idea that people are happiest when they feel free to act freely, without intervention from consciousness. Avoid vetoes, make your (ID) happy.

Is our (ID) the subconscious god?

Could it be that, before the "I", we were gods will?

in peace,
gar

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pretty darned interesting... - josef 12/9/2009, 11:34 am
- Re: pretty darned interesting... - Butcho 12/9/2009, 9:49 pm
- Re: pretty darned interesting... - ren ying 12/10/2009, 3:28 am
  - Re: pretty darned interesting... - gar 12/10/2009, 4:24 am
    - Re: pretty darned interesting... - ren ying 12/10/2009, 9:26 am
      - Re: pretty darned interesting... - Butcho 12/10/2009, 2:34 pm
        
        Re: pretty darned interesting... - gar 12/10/2009, 3:37 pm
        
        Re: pretty darned interesting... - Butcho 12/10/2009, 10:59 pm
        
        Just Dropped in to See What Condition My Condition was in! - gar 12/11/2009, 4:51 am
        
        Re: Just Dropped in to See What Condition My Condition was in! - Yes 12/11/2009, 7:00 am
        
        Re: Just Dropped in to See What Condition My Condition was in! - josef 12/11/2009, 8:15 am
        
        Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 9:51 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - Butcho 12/11/2009, 10:42 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 10:58 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - josef 12/11/2009, 10:53 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 11:03 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - josef 12/11/2009, 11:35 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 11:37 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - rat 12/12/2009, 7:26 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - Butcho 12/12/2009, 9:55 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/13/2009, 7:07 am
        
        Re: pretty darned interesting... - josef 12/11/2009, 7:53 am
- And This Too! - gar 12/11/2009, 7:15 am
  - Re: And This Too! - josef 12/11/2009, 7:35 am
    - p.s. - josef 12/11/2009, 8:54 am
      - Re: p.s. - Butcho 12/11/2009, 10:31 am
        
        Re: p.s. - josef 12/11/2009, 11:52 am
        
        Re: p.s. - Butcho 12/12/2009, 1:48 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : josef : : But, how does true self present itself to : us, if not in consciousness. Who is without : consciousness? : : in peace, : gar : : Oh, gar, even the word consciousness has : different connotations in cross traditions, : and I might argue true self doesn't : "present itself to us" at all, but : that would be meaningless, too. : : We're trying to put verbiage onto : experience, and it doesn't work well. I'll : settle for, not willing to define : consciousness, the use of awareness. : Awareness just is. I use the words true self : to represent what remains when the : superfluous accretions of thought/memory are : removed from awareness. : : But trying to rework concepts into new : concepts or better concepts is still stuck : in reification, which is entirely : counter-productive in learning the essence : of mind in reality. It just is a waste of : time. We try, in order to communicate, but : frankly, the more words are used, the more : reality spirals away and becomes mentation. : : Experience matters. (imo) We can speak of : that as clearly as words will serve (not : much), that's it. : I seriously doubt Freud and Lao Tzu would : have any patience or interest in each other, : or be able to find any common ground to : communicate. : : josef : : : : Amen : : : in peace, : gar : : I think Freud and Laozi would both agree on : the pleasure principle. We all do what : brings us satisfaction. Whether it is : stealing money from a bank or giving up our : life to save another person's. : : greetings rat, : : An old Sumerian proverb, act promptly, make : your god happy. : : The idea that people are happiest when they : feel free to act freely, without : intervention from consciousness. Avoid : vetoes, make your (ID) happy. : : Is our (ID) the subconscious god? : : Could it be that, before the "I", : we were gods will? : : in peace, : gar : : : : :

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