Tao Speaks: Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego

Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego

Posted by rat on 12/12/2009, 7:26 am, in reply to "Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego"
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: josef
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: But, how does true self present itself to
: us, if not in consciousness. Who is without
: consciousness?
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: in peace,
: gar
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: Oh, gar, even the word consciousness has
: different connotations in cross traditions,
: and I might argue true self doesn't
: "present itself to us" at all, but
: that would be meaningless, too.
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: We're trying to put verbiage onto
: experience, and it doesn't work well. I'll
: settle for, not willing to define
: consciousness, the use of awareness.
: Awareness just is. I use the words true self
: to represent what remains when the
: superfluous accretions of thought/memory are
: removed from awareness.
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: But trying to rework concepts into new
: concepts or better concepts is still stuck
: in reification, which is entirely
: counter-productive in learning the essence
: of mind in reality. It just is a waste of
: time. We try, in order to communicate, but
: frankly, the more words are used, the more
: reality spirals away and becomes mentation.
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: Experience matters. (imo) We can speak of
: that as clearly as words will serve (not
: much), that's it.
: I seriously doubt Freud and Lao Tzu would
: have any patience or interest in each other,
: or be able to find any common ground to
: communicate.
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: josef
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: Amen
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: in peace,
: gar
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I think Freud and Laozi would both agree on the pleasure principle. We all do what brings us satisfaction. Whether it is stealing money from a bank or giving up our life to save another person's.

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pretty darned interesting... - josef 12/9/2009, 11:34 am
- Re: pretty darned interesting... - Butcho 12/9/2009, 9:49 pm
- Re: pretty darned interesting... - ren ying 12/10/2009, 3:28 am
  - Re: pretty darned interesting... - gar 12/10/2009, 4:24 am
    - Re: pretty darned interesting... - ren ying 12/10/2009, 9:26 am
      - Re: pretty darned interesting... - Butcho 12/10/2009, 2:34 pm
        
        Re: pretty darned interesting... - gar 12/10/2009, 3:37 pm
        
        Re: pretty darned interesting... - Butcho 12/10/2009, 10:59 pm
        
        Just Dropped in to See What Condition My Condition was in! - gar 12/11/2009, 4:51 am
        
        Re: Just Dropped in to See What Condition My Condition was in! - Yes 12/11/2009, 7:00 am
        
        Re: Just Dropped in to See What Condition My Condition was in! - josef 12/11/2009, 8:15 am
        
        Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 9:51 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - Butcho 12/11/2009, 10:42 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 10:58 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - josef 12/11/2009, 10:53 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 11:03 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - josef 12/11/2009, 11:35 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/11/2009, 11:37 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - rat 12/12/2009, 7:26 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - Butcho 12/12/2009, 9:55 am
        
        Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego - gar 12/13/2009, 7:07 am
        
        Re: pretty darned interesting... - josef 12/11/2009, 7:53 am
- And This Too! - gar 12/11/2009, 7:15 am
  - Re: And This Too! - josef 12/11/2009, 7:35 am
    - p.s. - josef 12/11/2009, 8:54 am
      - Re: p.s. - Butcho 12/11/2009, 10:31 am
        
        Re: p.s. - josef 12/11/2009, 11:52 am
        
        Re: p.s. - Butcho 12/12/2009, 1:48 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : josef : : But, how does true self present itself to : us, if not in consciousness. Who is without : consciousness? : : in peace, : gar : : Oh, gar, even the word consciousness has : different connotations in cross traditions, : and I might argue true self doesn't : "present itself to us" at all, but : that would be meaningless, too. : : We're trying to put verbiage onto : experience, and it doesn't work well. I'll : settle for, not willing to define : consciousness, the use of awareness. : Awareness just is. I use the words true self : to represent what remains when the : superfluous accretions of thought/memory are : removed from awareness. : : But trying to rework concepts into new : concepts or better concepts is still stuck : in reification, which is entirely : counter-productive in learning the essence : of mind in reality. It just is a waste of : time. We try, in order to communicate, but : frankly, the more words are used, the more : reality spirals away and becomes mentation. : : Experience matters. (imo) We can speak of : that as clearly as words will serve (not : much), that's it. : I seriously doubt Freud and Lao Tzu would : have any patience or interest in each other, : or be able to find any common ground to : communicate. : : josef : : : : Amen : : : in peace, : gar : : I think Freud and Laozi would both agree on : the pleasure principle. We all do what : brings us satisfaction. Whether it is : stealing money from a bank or giving up our : life to save another person's. :

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