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Posted by gar on 12/11/2009, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: Balancing ID, Ego, and Super Ego"
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: Greetings Butcho
:
: "So, how you doin'?"
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: A funny thing happened on the way to
: enlightenment. First "I" sat down
: and practiced quiet mind and forgetting.
: That seemed to help rid this non-thing that
: i make into a thing and call it gar, of its
: ego. Well as far as gar can tell what is
: left is a sensory mass that receives stimuli
: but has lost its source of motivation. It
: seems without ego there's nothing to respond
: to the stimulus other than to eat, sleep and
: defecate. Well, Perhaps the stand alone
: "ID" is what's left.
:
: Well, if this is enlightenment I'd rather be
: a rock. Help I'm a rock! Gee, i think Frank
: Zappa told me that in 1966. But as you can
: read, the rock isn't typing these words, gar
: is. And that seems fine.
:
: So, what's changed?
:
: What's on the other side of no-self? Perhaps
: a sense of self that embraces this sense of
: existence with "Eyes on the road and
: hands on the wheel I'm going to the
: roadhouse and get myself a beer." Wait
: a minute, That's not the right
: "Doors". Instead, maybe I'll find
: contentment in all things and all no-things.
:
: Always nice to talk to a fellow traveler
: along the path, brother Butcho. Now where
: was i, oh yeah, one step at a time.
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: in peace,
: gar
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: Gar, you've voiced the most common objection
: to egolessness...the presumption that ego is
: the only self that can be responsive, lively
: and human. Talk here before of true self and
: false, illusory self. It's a good
: distinction, imo. The smallest child, well
: before ego-formation (not enough
: thought/memory to build one yet), will
: respond to pleasure and pain, choose
: applesauce over spinach, reach for a toy,
: feel and respond with full attention to
: what's going on and to others, learns, is
: curious, interested, engaged in life,
: completely present in Now. Nothing remotely
: like a rock.
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: To have ego quiescent doesn't mean becoming
: inhuman, a rock. More of an uncarved block.
: :-) A fully human being who isn't tied to a
: personal history, but can be new to each
: moment. Alive, not deadened by habituation,
: automatism and compulsivity. Aware, not
: perpetually lost in the "traffic jam of
: discursive thought".
:
: Simple memory, retaining the facts of one's
: identity, where you live, your
: relationships, etc., doesn't require the
: psychological baggage of ego at all. Coming
: fresh and anew to it all every day is
: possible without dragging the ego's baggage
: along as a constant referrent.
:
: The experience of this speaks volumes.
: Words, not so much. :-)
:
: josef
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: greetings josef,
:
: To further add to the confusion about self,
: let me say i think we confuse the ego with
: super-ego.
:
: Please see link;
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: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego
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: What Freud's seems to point to is the
: interplay of unconscious and conscious mind.
:
: If, by meditating, we reach the state of
: being where we are pure awareness and
: without ego and super-ego, what is left is
: the ID.
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: Perhaps, once you've experienced revisiting
: the state of ID, ego can better harmonize
: the ID and super-ego into true-self .
:
: in peace,
: gar
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: gar,
:
: Sounds like a three-way split to me.
:
: Freud's thinking was driven by Newtonian
: mechanics and Jewish notions of the
: depravity of man's nature.
:
: Freud lacked the courage or the insight to
: go where sages go. Jung told him as much.
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: When I use the term "ego" I am
: simply referring to our conditioned sense of
: self. The self that we have been taught to
: think we are.
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: Freudian psychology is conceptually
: dualistic. Linear.
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: Reality is a nonlinear function.
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: The true self is not a concept. It simply
: is.
:
: Butcho
How about true self is a concept, not a concept, what it is and what we think it is. If true self can't be known, and is only sensed by the subconscious, it seems to reside in the ID.
Are you not just reconditioning your mind to view self in a different cognizant form?
Who's typing your words? Maybe true self and Butcho's ego.
In any blend the parts become inseparable. Seems to me you want to separate.
in peace,
gar
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"The Tao is basically utterly open. Utter openeness has no substance. It ends in endlessness, begins in beginninglessnes".
-Li Daoqun
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