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Posted by Butcho
on 11/30/2009, 8:35 am, in reply to "Re: Ambiguous"
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: Greetings Josef
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: If words and concepts are ambiguous then,
: that's their nature.
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: When we first perceive "what is"
: and then try to communicate our experience
: of it, it seems the original "what
: is" gets lost. We also seem to have the
: desire to share our reality of "what
: is" so we might connect with others. Of
: course there are levels of shared
: understanding of what the "what
: is" is, but since we have a
: differentiated reality we are never in
: complete unity.
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: I don't know, maybe we can be of "one
: mind" but not conscious of it. That
: leads me to the next question, where does
: wu-wei come from?
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: Stop painting when picture finished
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: In gar's head, the painting is finished
: before we start painting. We are just not
: aware of it.
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: in peace,
: gar
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: gar,
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: If you mean as a word, a term, "where
: does wu wei come from" would be a
: question for ren ying, or other linguists.
: The answer to how it came into being as a
: concept is likely buried in antiquity, and I
: doubt anyone could answer beyond conjecture.
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: Of course, not all words are ambiguous.
: Dinner's ready. Turn here. There are birds
: in the feeder. Etc.
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: It's in philosophy things get murky. Where
: terms don't have a clear commonality and
: refer to the unseen, to hidden realities
: that are by nature ineffable.
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: But, we eff on. :-)
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josef,
It's in philosophy things get murky. Amen sister. Amen.
Where philosophies are concerned I am beginning to prefer them simpler and simpler. So simple in fact that they are almost complex. Knowing when to quit is an art, not a science. Less can indeed sometimes be more.
I know what a rat is but when you ask me I don't.
Who first thought in terms of wu wei I have no clue. I am not even certain I know what it means. All I can gather is that it is uncontrived action. Unconsidered action. Spontaneous action. Actionable inaction. Negatively speaking it is not a pragmatic act or nonact. Wu wei is not the product of ratiocination. It is anything but.
We project don't we. Chuang Tzu was right in that. As he was also right in balancing his relative perspective upon the ground of holism. So those that think his philosophy was simply relative, have, in my opinion, missed the forest for the trees. I digress. Always trying to help rat out of a corner. I have a bit of the Messiah Complex I suppose. But then few there be that ever completely overcome their cultural milieu. If any at all.
So, maybe the concept of wu wei arose organically. Maybe the organic, the intuitive, is the way all of the truly great concepts have arisen. Spontaneously. Enlightenment unfolds like a flower.
Butcho
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