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Posted by Butcho
on 11/28/2009, 5:07 pm, in reply to "Re: A Question for the Scholars?"
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: I know not whose offspring it is, it seems
: to be the preface of God.
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: The God of today is not the God of Old, the
: Primordial God; the God of today having a
: face, being a person, a material, Physical
: Being, having substance, shape, form,
: definition, the word God today being a Name.
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: The God that can be spoken of, Named, is not
: the Absolute, The God can be spoken of,
: Named, the God of today being a Graven
: Image.
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: Wayne,
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: There is a lot of truth in what you are
: saying Wayne. The meanings of words, like
: everything else, have a tendency to change.
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: With that said I don't think the word God is
: the problem so much as words in general
: where existence as it is is concerned.
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: The word God is not a problem, the Name God
: is a problem.
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: Speaking of, giving a name to, something
: that is not readily apparent, measurable as
: to location and or momentum in Time and or
: Space, is Blasphemous, is to engrave, to
: empress deeply into the mind an image of the
: ineffable, is to create an Illusion, said
: Graven Image, Illusion of Reality being an
: Abomination.
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: The best one can do is speak in the code of
: metaphors and such. Existence is like this,
: or like that. It is as if it is It.
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: Pictographs are better at describing the
: nature of the ineffable than a system of
: symbols with arbitrary meanings. Chinese is
: better equipped to handle the ineffable than
: is English.
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: Although English has its
: strengths as well.
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: A picture is worth a thousand words.
: Especially where the existential is
: concerned.
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: Pictographs are the least qualified to
: handle the ineffable, are well qualified to
: handle the existential but only if said
: pictograph is not use metaphorically.
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: Pictographs, pictures are worth a thousand
: word as long that the picture of whatever,
: is subject of the conversation.
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: If I said, Here I want to give you something
: and drew a picture of a bird would the
: picture of a bird be worth a thousand words;
: how many would not even have the foggiest
: Idea what I was talking about.
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: If you want to know what it means to give
: someone Bird all you have to do is go to
: Webster's to find understanding as to what
: it means to give someone the Bird.
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: If a pictograph used as a metaphor not
: correctly interpreted is totally useless,
: meaningless when it comes to speaking of,
: understanding both the existential and
: especially the ineffable, that which is not
: readily apparent, measurable as to location
: and or Momentum in Time and or Space, a
: pictograph being a physical representation
: of something that is Immaterial, is nothing
: more than a graven Image, is Blasphemous,
: Hogwash, an Abomination.
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: Where written language tends to create
: boundaries, picture language tends to create
: ways of liberation. The god of the West is
: said to be both personal and other. The god
: of the East is said to be impersonal but not
: other. Could it be simply a matter of
: perspective? Are East and West looking at
: the same thing in different ways? I am
: speaking in generalities of course. There
: are exceptions to every rule but this one.
: In my opinion there have been people from
: every time and every place that have for one
: reason or another been able to see past the
: conventional wisdom of their cultural
: milieu. Were and are able to see existence
: as it is without the filter of their ego, of
: the thinking that their conscious thinking
: process is the center of their mind.
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: True!!
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: It takes more courage to think differently
: than
: all those around you where the existential
: is concerned than any other thing imo. The
: ego can grow accustomed to just about any
: discomfort except the discomfort of change.
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: Words have a tendency to distort reality.
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: Words do not distort Reality, our
: understanding,
: our interpretation of Words distort Reality,
: especially the Reality of the Ineffable.
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: "... Were language adequate, it would
: take but a day fully to set forth Tao. Not
: being adequate, it takes that time to
: explain material existences. Tao is
: something beyond material existences. It
: cannot be conveyed either by words or by
: silences." Chuang Tzu 25. H. A. Giles.
: "... Not to talk, not to be silent.
: This is the highest form of debate."
: Chuang Tzu 25. Burton Watson.
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: I could be wrong but I would suggest that
: what is being said is, "It, the Way of
: the Tao, cannot be expressed through words
: said out loud, or by words left
: unsaid."
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: I do not agree.
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Wayne,
I agree and disagree, I think.
A picture "can" be worth a thousand words. And there are times when a single word says it all.
Butcho
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