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Posted by gar on 11/26/2009, 8:54 am, in reply to "Re: a commentary by Wing-Tsit Chan"
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: Wing-Tsit Chan writes
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: in context of ddj 42:
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: the important point
: is the natural evolution
: from the simple to the complex
: without any act of creation .
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: This theory is common to practically all
: Chinese philosophical schools.
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: BTW:
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: i understand ddj 41 this way:
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: Concerning understanding dao (wen dao)
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: first:
: we understand its swing
: (expressed by qin2 and xing2)
: qin2:
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: http://www.alice-dsl.net/taijiren/6_qin2_m1097.htm
: it depicts: power + understanding by mind +
: grasping + fire + human + earth +
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: xing2:
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: http://www.alice-dsl.net/taijiren/2_xing2_m2754.htm
: it depicts: once left - once right
: yi yin yi yang
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: next (in middle phase):
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: we understand you3 and wu2
: the visible and unvisible
: the conscious and unconscious
: (expressed by cun2 (existing visible) and
: wang2(hidden in realm we do not can
: see...grasp...hear but know about))
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: third (in a final phase)
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: understanding the dynamical equilibrium
: (da4) we smile (xiao4)
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: in being kept in suspense of interdependency
: between energy and matter we can recognize
: what laozi is calling dao
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: ren ying,
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: I did not know you are a Neo-Confucianist.
: And all this time i thought you were a
: Taoist. Or are you a syncretist in the
: Chinese tradition? If so then why do you so
: persistently deny the possibility of a
: Creator? Is there no room in your Universe
: for something greater than yourself?
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: "Heaven is my Father and Earth is my
: Mother, and even such a small creature as I
: find an intimate place in their midst."
: Wing-tsit Chan.
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: In my opinion just because we don't know
: what something is, don't know what or how to
: name it, doesn't mean it isn't. I for one do
: not believe existence is evolving. In my
: opinion existence is like a flower. As is
: the realization of that Great Flower.
: Enlightenment, like existence itself,
: Unfolds. "Enlightenment unfolds".
: Dogen.
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: The potential of the seed is realized in the
: tree's ability to make more seeds. Chance
: over time has nothing to do with
: intelligence, intelligence is inherent in
: the seed of existence. We are not an
: accident. Whatever the Source is, it is also
: intelligent.
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: I am not arguing for a God that is a
: grandfatherly figure sitting on his throne
: in a cloud. What I am stating is that the
: Whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
: The Whole doesn't add up. There is something
: I know not what that for lack of a better
: name I call the eternal Tao. The book is not
: closed on what the Something is. The Tao is
: open.
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: My Universe open to every possibility,
: including an Intelligent Source. A source
: beyond anything we can imagine. But we can
: experience it. It is just that we have to
: drop our notions if we want the clouds of
: our conditioning to dissipate so that we can
: see clearly what has been right before our
: eyes all along. Something unexpected until
: it becomes obvious. We are the Tao. Or more
: correctly, the Tao is us. There is a grain
: to existence. The Tao comes first in much
: the same way that the Sun rises in the East.
: It is the natural order of existence that
: the Feminine comes before the Masculine.
: Though inseparable Yin comes before Yang.
: The watercourse way of the eternal Tao flows
: towards the ocean. Of I AM THAT I AM.
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: The Kingdom of Heaven and Earth is not a
: totalitarian regime. It is a family. About
: right relationship so that we can be all
: that we can be. About being in accord with
: the ways of the Way. It takes faith to let
: go before one is totally exhausted. Anyone
: can let go when they can no longer hold on.
: But why put off the inevitable? Why not die
: while we are yet alive? Why not break the
: cycle of egoism? To let go with the head so
: that the heart can embrace and be embraced
: by that which is beyond intellection.
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: Butcho
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Greetings Butcho,
First let me say, as i told my wife this morning, gar doesn't know, so, so what if there is a Creator or not.
Why the ball is rolling seems without virtue.
See, I told her so!
in peace,
gar
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