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Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism

Posted by gar on 11/6/2009, 5:26 am, in reply to "Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism"
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: So the question is, rat, how do you open the
: door to Apophatic Mysticism?
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: in peace,
: gar
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: Greetings ren ying,
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: "what does mean "mystic for
: you"?
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: Mystic seems to mean that one has access to
: the "Wu state". But how to get
: there is the question.
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: It seems that our brains function in a
: narrow state of perception and has to be
: changed in some way as to allow for altered
: consciousness.
:
: Any practice that produces connectedness,
: oneness, might devolep into Dr. Wang's
: 'actualization of oneness' or rat's
: apophatic mysticism.
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: I do think the leap to the zile state, is a
: mystic event not a "Yu event". But
: because Yu and Wu are co-producing zile then
: zile seems to manifest itself in altered
: states of mind.
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: By saying this, a mind in harmony might just
: be an altered mind.
:
: in peace,
: gar
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:
: interesting point of view...
:
: to avoid misunderstandings - i would prefer
: to reduce the usage of "mystic" to
: the cultural environment the word
: "mystic" comes from...
:
Greetings ren ying

It seems strange to me, ren ying, that you used the word god in your definition of 'mystic'.

I'm confused by the word god. Is this something outside ourself?

in peace,
gar

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here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/4/2009, 1:18 pm
- Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - gar 11/4/2009, 2:40 pm
  - Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/6/2009, 7:41 am
- Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - Nina 11/4/2009, 7:38 pm
  - Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/6/2009, 7:46 am
- Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - redturtle 11/5/2009, 4:15 am
  - Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/6/2009, 7:54 am
- The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/5/2009, 7:57 am
  - Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - ren ying 11/5/2009, 10:00 am
    - Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/5/2009, 11:28 am
      - Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - ren ying 11/6/2009, 2:16 am
        
        Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/6/2009, 5:26 am
        
        terms - ren ying 11/6/2009, 5:46 am
        
        door to emptying the mind of all negative judgements.... - ren ying 11/6/2009, 6:07 am
        
        Re: door to emptying the mind of all negative judgements.... - gar 11/6/2009, 6:16 am
        
        a quote - ren ying 11/8/2009, 2:30 am
        
        Re: a quote - gar 11/8/2009, 5:00 am
        
        qi and apophatic practice - ren ying 11/9/2009, 2:12 am
        
        Re: qi and apophatic practice - gar 11/9/2009, 4:44 am
        
        imagination of qi? - ren ying 11/9/2009, 8:47 am
        
        Re: qi and apophatic practice - josef 11/9/2009, 9:25 am
        
        Re: qi and apophatic practice - gar 11/9/2009, 9:42 am
        
        Re: qi and apophatic practice - josef 11/9/2009, 10:55 am
  - Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - rat 11/6/2009, 7:51 am
    - Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/6/2009, 8:50 am
      - keeping score - rat 11/9/2009, 6:16 am
        
        P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - rat 11/9/2009, 6:19 am
        
        Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - josef 11/9/2009, 4:02 pm
        
        Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - rat 11/9/2009, 6:41 pm
        
        Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - Butcho 11/9/2009, 7:30 pm
        
        Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - josef 11/9/2009, 7:40 pm
        
        Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - gar 11/11/2009, 7:55 am
        
        without scores - ren ying 11/11/2009, 9:35 am
        
        Re: without scores - gar 11/11/2009, 10:40 am
        
        innate? - ren ying 11/11/2009, 3:11 pm
    - The Backdoor is Open. - Rufus T. Firefly 11/6/2009, 10:07 pm
      - Re: The Backdoor is Open. - gar 11/8/2009, 5:31 am
        
        Re: The Backdoor is Open. - Butcho 11/8/2009, 8:10 am
        
        violation of wu wei - rat 11/9/2009, 6:03 am
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - Butcho 11/9/2009, 8:30 am
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - rat 11/9/2009, 9:07 am
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - gar 11/9/2009, 9:21 am
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - rat 11/9/2009, 1:33 pm
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - gar 11/9/2009, 1:48 pm
        
        horse beatings - rat 11/9/2009, 6:44 pm
        
        Re: horse beatings - gar 11/10/2009, 6:09 am
        
        Re: horse beatings - rat 11/11/2009, 1:25 pm
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - josef 11/9/2009, 3:24 pm
        
        definition of selfless - rat 11/9/2009, 5:33 pm
        
        Re: definition of selfless - josef 11/9/2009, 7:52 pm
        
        Re: definition of selfless - Butcho 11/9/2009, 10:39 pm
        
        Re: definition of selfless - josef 11/10/2009, 7:56 am
        
        Selfless Selfishness - Butcho 11/10/2009, 9:47 am
        
        Re: violation of wu wei - josef 11/9/2009, 9:19 am
        
        correction - josef 11/9/2009, 9:22 am
        
        Breathe-in, breathe-out. - Butcho 11/9/2009, 10:12 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : --Previous Message-- : ...: : So the question is, rat, how do you open the : door to Apophatic Mysticism? : : in peace, : gar : : :: : Greetings ren ying, : : "what does mean "mystic for : you"? : : Mystic seems to mean that one has access to : the "Wu state". But how to get : there is the question. : : It seems that our brains function in a : narrow state of perception and has to be : changed in some way as to allow for altered : consciousness. : : Any practice that produces connectedness, : oneness, might devolep into Dr. Wang's : 'actualization of oneness' or rat's : apophatic mysticism. : : I do think the leap to the zile state, is a : mystic event not a "Yu event". But : because Yu and Wu are co-producing zile then : zile seems to manifest itself in altered : states of mind. : : By saying this, a mind in harmony might just : be an altered mind. : : in peace, : gar : : : interesting point of view... : : to avoid misunderstandings - i would prefer : to reduce the usage of "mystic" to : the cultural environment the word : "mystic" comes from... : : Greetings ren ying : : It seems strange to me, ren ying, that you : used the word god in your definition of : 'mystic'. : : I'm confused by the word god. Is this some : thing outside ourself? : : in peace, : gar :

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