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Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr

Posted by Nina on 11/4/2009, 7:38 pm, in reply to "here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr"
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Hey Rat...... Lovely stuff! I need to contact you, but I don't know which email address is operable for you now. Could you send me a note so I can find you? --Previous Message-- : (I published this one on scribd) : : Is there any truth to apophatic : mysticism? : : : Almost all mystics insist on the : truth/authenticity of their path. Many : would be offended by the suggestion that : they might be fooling themselves with a mere : dream or illusion. : : But the apophatic mystic��one example : would be Zhuangzi��is not interested in : authenticating her practice. She is : interested in gaining a know-how, not in : obtaining knowledge as to what is and is not : ultimately true. She is only interested in : le ��, that beautiful feeling which results : in her falling in love with every being and : all of being. (�� rong the all-embracing) : If you tell her that she is fooling herself, : this will not bother her in the least. : : She is interested in the know-how that : will allow this deep feeling of well-being : (��) to become non-contingent on any : material event. Non-contingent le is called : zile: �Ԙ�. Zhuangzi: ��When she was : successful she was content; and when she : miserably failed she was content.�� ( : �F����ͨ�� . ) : : This does not mean that mystics like : Zhuangzi are never sad, nor are they never : tearful. Indeed we find out that Zhuangzi : cried when his wife died. Zile indicates : that there is a deep sense of well-being no : matter what happens. : : The apophaticist has freed (jie ��) : herself of all attachments. This includes : any attachment to a claim of knowing : ultimate truth. She is only interested in : practical truth��whatever truly lets her : enjoy life at this moment. : :

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Message Thread: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/4/2009, 1:18 pm Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - gar 11/4/2009, 2:40 pm Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/6/2009, 7:41 am Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - Nina 11/4/2009, 7:38 pm Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/6/2009, 7:46 am Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - redturtle 11/5/2009, 4:15 am Re: here's a nearly non-philosophical one for Garr - rat 11/6/2009, 7:54 am The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/5/2009, 7:57 am Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - ren ying 11/5/2009, 10:00 am Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/5/2009, 11:28 am Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - ren ying 11/6/2009, 2:16 am Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/6/2009, 5:26 am terms - ren ying 11/6/2009, 5:46 am door to emptying the mind of all negative judgements.... - ren ying 11/6/2009, 6:07 am Re: door to emptying the mind of all negative judgements.... - gar 11/6/2009, 6:16 am a quote - ren ying 11/8/2009, 2:30 am Re: a quote - gar 11/8/2009, 5:00 am qi and apophatic practice - ren ying 11/9/2009, 2:12 am Re: qi and apophatic practice - gar 11/9/2009, 4:44 am imagination of qi? - ren ying 11/9/2009, 8:47 am Re: qi and apophatic practice - josef 11/9/2009, 9:25 am Re: qi and apophatic practice - gar 11/9/2009, 9:42 am Re: qi and apophatic practice - josef 11/9/2009, 10:55 am Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - rat 11/6/2009, 7:51 am Re: The Door to Apophatic Mysticism - gar 11/6/2009, 8:50 am keeping score - rat 11/9/2009, 6:16 am P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - rat 11/9/2009, 6:19 am Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - josef 11/9/2009, 4:02 pm Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - rat 11/9/2009, 6:41 pm Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - Butcho 11/9/2009, 7:30 pm Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - josef 11/9/2009, 7:40 pm Re: P.S. I learned a deeper understanding of that from Rene - gar 11/11/2009, 7:55 am without scores - ren ying 11/11/2009, 9:35 am Re: without scores - gar 11/11/2009, 10:40 am innate? - ren ying 11/11/2009, 3:11 pm The Backdoor is Open. - Rufus T. Firefly 11/6/2009, 10:07 pm Re: The Backdoor is Open. - gar 11/8/2009, 5:31 am Re: The Backdoor is Open. - Butcho 11/8/2009, 8:10 am violation of wu wei - rat 11/9/2009, 6:03 am Re: violation of wu wei - Butcho 11/9/2009, 8:30 am Re: violation of wu wei - rat 11/9/2009, 9:07 am Re: violation of wu wei - gar 11/9/2009, 9:21 am Re: violation of wu wei - rat 11/9/2009, 1:33 pm Re: violation of wu wei - gar 11/9/2009, 1:48 pm horse beatings - rat 11/9/2009, 6:44 pm Re: horse beatings - gar 11/10/2009, 6:09 am Re: horse beatings - rat 11/11/2009, 1:25 pm Re: violation of wu wei - josef 11/9/2009, 3:24 pm definition of selfless - rat 11/9/2009, 5:33 pm Re: definition of selfless - josef 11/9/2009, 7:52 pm Re: definition of selfless - Butcho 11/9/2009, 10:39 pm Re: definition of selfless - josef 11/10/2009, 7:56 am Selfless Selfishness - Butcho 11/10/2009, 9:47 am Re: violation of wu wei - josef 11/9/2009, 9:19 am correction - josef 11/9/2009, 9:22 am Breathe-in, breathe-out. - Butcho 11/9/2009, 10:12 pm « Back to thread

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