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Posted by rat on 10/11/2009, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Surrender"
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: Greetings rat,
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: Just thought I'd let you know, for whatever
: reason, i found gar reading the rat's mystic
: view.
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: http://www.apophaticmysticism.com/Index.html
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: Shiver my timbers, mate, it's a grand voyage
: indeed.
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: in peace,
: gar
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: Thank you gar. I am happy that I
: "tuned in" tonight and noticed
: your post. I have a book that should be
: done by Thanksgiving. I hope it is an
: improvement on what is on the website.
:
: Here is a sample, from the back cover:
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: "Apophatic Ecstasy
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: If you want life to get easier, mysticism
: may disappoint you. If you want it to
: become much more interesting, you are
: looking in the right place.
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: In the practice of pragmatic apophatic
: mysticism, as in other mystical traditions,
: one makes a profound surrender. But it
: needn’t be surrender to a God, nor to an
: atheism. It is rather surrendering to an
: experiential process. The process does not
: involve claims or denials, beliefs or
: disbeliefs, or any assurance that either
: truth or self-deception can be verified.
: The apophatic mystic realizes herself to be
: a participant in a mystical process and
: through her surrender to it she is able to
: intimately engage and enjoy its dynamics.
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: Looking at the various mystical traditions
: we find analogues of this surrendering
: process in almost all of them. In the
: atheism of Georges Bataille we find his
: condemnation of “project.” In the deism
: of Martin Luther we have “faith, not
: works.” The agnostic approach of Zhuangzi
: aims at “categorical surrender.”
: Surrender allows us to fall into a
: psycho-physical disposition which puts us in
: touch with an astonishing dynamic, one that
: is naturally found in the ground of our
: being. We learn how to let our psyche
: liberate itself.
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: It sounds naïve, but summoning this
: deliverance is a knack which can be learned.
: It is demonstrable and is almost always
: reliable: At every moment you have a natural
: ability to decide how well you want to feel
: about being in this world."
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: love,
: rat
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: Greetings rat,
:
: It seems to me that in the process of
: surrendering the psyche, faith becomes the
: lifeboat. But what we place our faith in
: seems to shape are psyche. So, are you
: suggesting that, a possible path of
: existence is to have 'faith in faith' in
: which all things shape our psyche?
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: Perhaps, a frameless psyche?
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: Congratulations on your new book. Looking
: forward to reading it and being shaped by
: the experience.
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: in peace,
: gar
:
Thanks gar. Yes, a non-sectarian faith, and which is only provisional. Like Zhuangzi, I think whatever faith works for me today may fail to work tomorrow.
love,
rat
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