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Posted by ren ying on 7/20/2009, 1:53 am, in reply to "Re: an essential feature of Dao"
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: ren ying,
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: The subtlest thing, the Tao, does not
: change. It is the obvious that changes.
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: Butcho
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: Butch...
: you are practising Vipassana...
: what have you experienced as dhamma?
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: do you think that it is possible to equal
: dhamma - dao?
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: yi yin yi yang zhi wei dao...
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: dhamma: ???
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: ren ying,
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: I am not certain I understand your question,
: but will give it a try.
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: Is the Buddha's Dharma the same as Lao Tzu's
: Tao?
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: If that is your question I would say that
: they are both pointing at the same moon in
: their own way.
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: As for me the key is to look for that which
: underlies or unites seeming opposites. From
: the Tao.... comes the One and the Many. The
: Tao is the underlying unity of the One and
: the Many. Of Yin and Yang, of yin/yang.
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: When we focus on the One at the expense of
: the Many, or on the Many at the expense of
: the One, we are guilty of dualistic
: thinking. The thinking that one pole of a
: polarity is separate from its opposite pole.
: That it is yin and yang, when it is actually
: yin/yang. Opposite non-opposites.
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: So I do not look to the One, rather, I look
: to the oneness, the underlying unity of
: existence. This is where I believe one comes
: directly into contact with the nondual, call
: it the Tao, or Dharma, or even.. dare I say
: it... God. Just different words for the same
: underlying unity of existence, imo. Our
: tendency, dualistic thinking, is to make a
: religion of such words and in the process
: fail to see the moon for our concepts of the
: moon. We are lost in our thoughts.
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: "From the Tao comes the One and the
: Many". "From the first totality is
: a unitive one". Hui-neng. "The
: Father and I are a unitive one". Jesus.
: Same thing. Each Master is pointing to the
: underlying unity of existence as the
: fundamental ground that existence stands or
: abides in. The Axis of the wheel. That part
: of the wheel that does not move moves
: everything that does move. The subtle moves
: the obvious. The obvious only moves the
: obvious.
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: The Cartesian paradigm, "I think,
: therefore I am", has been found
: wanting. In truth all it amounts to is
: "I think, therefore I think I am".
: To vacillation between extremes. From doubt
: to certainty and back again and again and so
: on and so forth. Dualistic thinking is
: circular. Nondualistic thinking is more like
: a spiral.
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: "The lamp of the body is the eye: if
: therefore thine eye be nondualistic, thy
: 'whole' body shall be full of light. But if
: thine eye be dualistic, thy whole body shall
: be full of darkness". Jesus.
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: As long as we see through dualistic eyes it
: is as if we see through a glass darkly. The
: knowledge of good and evil spoken of in the
: Bible is the thinking that good can exist
: without evil. That any concept, no matter
: how noble, can exist without its opposite.
: If or no other reason than contrast. The
: life of the conditioned mind, of the
: egoistic mind, the mind of this and that
: rather than the awareness of this/that tends
: to be either bitter or sweet when in fact
: life is bitter/sweet.
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: So the sagely points to the /. Each in his
: or her own way.
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: "/".
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: Butcho
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Thank you for sharing...
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-Li Daoqun
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