Tao Speaks: the trouble with problems

the trouble with problems

Posted by Lian Dao on 7/7/2009, 2:39 pm, in reply to "Re: the trouble with tribbles"
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: Steve,
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: The only thing that thinks there is no
: problem with the conditioned mind is the
: conditioned mind.
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: The conditioned mind is a straw dog. A
: mistaken case of identity good for nothing
: but burning within the light of awareness.
:
: There are many triggering agents where
: mystical insight is concerned. The
: conditioned mind would ban them all. Are you
: trying to ban me? Do my words.... bother
: you?
:
: Maybe it would be better if I let this
: sleeping straw dog lie.
:
: Nah! Kicking you in the middle of your
: rationalizations is good for both of us. You
: might wake up yet and I get to practice on
: the dead.
:
: Butcho
:
: --------------------------
:
: Socially conscious as I am, Butcho, I'm
: concerned with the ramifications of guys
: like you running around telling people
: there's something wrong with their minds.
: Something wrong with how their lives are
: playing out.
:
: One perceives 'mistaken identity' only when
: one lives in an essentially problematic
: universe. As you do, apparently.
:
: My universe is fine as is, thank you.
:
:
:
:
: Maybe the problem is simply in Oak Tree's
: head?
:
: Claiming to be 'unconditioned' is very much
: a symptomn of the 'conditioned' mind.
:
: How do i know this?
:
: Because i'm 'unconditioned'.
:
: The sheer irony of Oak Tree's dualistic
: worldview which divides up his precious
: 'oneness' into conditional/unconditional and
: awake/asleep, hasn't even been noticed by
: the Unconditioned One. Surely there's only
: 'one' mind Butch?
:
: And if he's still practicing after all this
: time, maybe he should stop practicing and
: start doing it properly?
:
: Lian Dao,
:
: I have never claimed to be 100%
: unconditioned. I am a work in progress. As
: are we all.
:

i never said you did, did i?

The only 'progress' we affect is from birth to death.

Anyone can do that.

What makes you so special?

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Message Thread:

question to Butch - ren ying 6/20/2009, 2:18 am
- Re: question to Butch - Butcho 6/20/2009, 4:37 pm
  - Re: question to Butch - Nina 6/20/2009, 6:56 pm
    - Re: question to Butch - Butcho 6/21/2009, 5:48 pm
      - Re: question to Butch - Nina 6/21/2009, 6:11 pm
        
        Re: question to Butch - Butcho 6/21/2009, 9:17 pm
        
        Excuses - gar 6/22/2009, 4:25 am
        
        Re: question to Butch - Nina 6/22/2009, 7:06 pm
        
        Re: question to Butch - Butcho 6/23/2009, 9:22 am
        
        Re: question to Butch - Nina 6/23/2009, 8:27 pm
        
        Re: question to Butch - Butcho 6/24/2009, 9:12 am
        
        Re: question to Butch - Lian Dao 6/24/2009, 4:01 pm
        
        Re: question to Lian Dao. - Butcho 6/24/2009, 9:42 pm
        
        Re: question to Lian Dao. - Lian Dao 6/25/2009, 12:15 pm
        
        Re: question to Lian Dao. - Nina 6/25/2009, 5:02 pm
        
        Re: question to Lian Dao. - Lian Dao 6/26/2009, 12:16 pm
        
        Re: question to Lian Dao. - Nina 6/26/2009, 7:09 pm
        
        Re: question to Butch - Nina 6/25/2009, 4:59 pm
        
        I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 6/25/2009, 7:14 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Nina 6/25/2009, 8:02 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 6/25/2009, 9:39 pm
        
        Out in left field - Nina 6/26/2009, 7:24 pm
        
        Re: Out in left field - Butcho 6/26/2009, 9:55 pm
        
        Re: Out in left field - Nina 6/28/2009, 9:04 am
        
        Re: Out in left field - Butcho 7/3/2009, 5:54 pm
        
        Re: Out in left field - Nina 7/3/2009, 10:05 pm
        
        Re: Out in left field - Butcho 7/4/2009, 2:11 pm
        
        Re: Out in left field - Nina 7/5/2009, 7:27 pm
        
        Re: Out in left field - Butcho 7/5/2009, 8:15 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Steve 6/26/2009, 9:06 am
        
        This might help...... - Nina 6/26/2009, 7:29 pm
        
        wisdom for sale, idiots only apply - Lian Dao 6/27/2009, 9:16 am
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 6/26/2009, 9:57 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Steve 6/27/2009, 12:21 pm
        
        religion is the politicisation of spirituality - Lian Dao 6/27/2009, 4:00 pm
        
        Re: religion is the politicisation of spirituality - Steve 6/27/2009, 4:26 pm
        
        fear of a black planet - Lian Dao 6/27/2009, 5:29 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 7/3/2009, 5:47 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Steve 7/4/2009, 8:45 am
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 7/4/2009, 4:58 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Steve 7/5/2009, 8:45 am
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 7/5/2009, 3:36 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Steve 7/5/2009, 3:59 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 7/5/2009, 8:27 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Steve 7/6/2009, 8:22 am
        
        the trouble with tribbles - Lian Dao 7/6/2009, 4:08 pm
        
        Re: the trouble with tribbles - Steve 7/6/2009, 4:56 pm
        
        Re: the trouble with tribbles - Butcho 7/6/2009, 11:10 pm
        
        the trouble with problems - Lian Dao 7/7/2009, 2:39 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 7/6/2009, 11:07 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Lian Dao 6/26/2009, 12:25 pm
        
        Re: I don't have to show you no stinkin' a' badges! - Butcho 6/26/2009, 10:15 pm
        
        an amateur zen pastiche - Lian Dao 6/27/2009, 9:04 am
        
        Re: an amateur zen pastiche - Butcho 7/3/2009, 6:07 pm
        
        an ever shifting singular point of reference - Lian Dao 7/4/2009, 12:00 pm
        
        Re: an ever shifting singular point of reference - Butcho 7/4/2009, 5:11 pm
        
        chumbawumba - Lian Dao 7/5/2009, 2:41 pm
        
        Re: chumbawumba - Butcho 7/5/2009, 3:47 pm
        
        dolphins were monkeys - Lian Dao 7/5/2009, 4:01 pm
        
        Re: dolphins were monkeys - Nina 7/5/2009, 7:25 pm
        
        Re: dolphins were monkeys - Butcho 7/5/2009, 8:53 pm
        
        Re: dolphins were monkeys - Lian Dao 7/6/2009, 3:55 pm
        
        Re: dolphins were monkeys - Butcho 7/6/2009, 11:12 pm
  - Re: question to Butch - ren ying 6/21/2009, 3:29 am
    - for ren ying - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 7:12 am
      - Re: for ren ying - gar 6/21/2009, 7:25 am
        
        harm is relative/peace is absolute; cross the abyss - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 7:35 am
      - Re: for ren ying - ren ying 6/21/2009, 10:30 am
  - another question for Butcho - Steve 6/21/2009, 9:57 am
    - Re: another question for Butcho - Butcho 6/21/2009, 5:43 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Steve, : : The only thing that thinks there is no : problem with the conditioned mind is the : conditioned mind. : : The conditioned mind is a straw dog. A : mistaken case of identity good for nothing : but burning within the light of awareness. : : There are many triggering agents where : mystical insight is concerned. The : conditioned mind would ban them all. Are you : trying to ban me? Do my words.... bother : you? : : Maybe it would be better if I let this : sleeping straw dog lie. : : Nah! Kicking you in the middle of your : rationalizations is good for both of us. You : might wake up yet and I get to practice on : the dead. : : Butcho : : -------------------------- : : Socially conscious as I am, Butcho, I'm : concerned with the ramifications of guys : like you running around telling people : there's something wrong with their minds. : Something wrong with how their lives are : playing out. : : One perceives 'mistaken identity' only when : one lives in an essentially problematic : universe. As you do, apparently. : : My universe is fine as is, thank you. : : : : : Maybe the problem is simply in Oak Tree's : head? : : Claiming to be 'unconditioned' is very much : a symptomn of the 'conditioned' mind. : : How do i know this? : : Because i'm 'unconditioned'. : : The sheer irony of Oak Tree's dualistic : worldview which divides up his precious : 'oneness' into conditional/unconditional and : awake/asleep, hasn't even been noticed by : the Unconditioned One. Surely there's only : 'one' mind Butch? : : And if he's still practicing after all this : time, maybe he should stop practicing and : start doing it properly? : : Lian Dao, : : I have never claimed to be 100% : unconditioned. I am a work in progress. As : are we all. : : : : i never said you did, did i? : : The only 'progress' we affect is from birth : to death. : : Anyone can do that. : : What makes you so special? :

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