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Posted by Lian Dao on 6/21/2009, 6:46 am, in reply to "Re: secret of the flower"
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: Your 'nature' sounds a bit like
: Butch's 'god' :there old bean. And it isn't
: buddhism i'm spouting there, it's fact. The
: ten-thousand 'things' are subject to decay
: and
: death simply by the virtue of being born.
: You
: can't escape from that. No matter how hard
: you
: try."
:
: Yes, but you made the statement "Nature
: is simply decay and death," and that's
: what I was responding to.
:
: Death and dying and all the other icky
: things of the world can be seen in a larger
: perspective whereby we wouldn't know life
: and living and growing and expansiveness
: without knowing their apparent opposites.
Okay, i'll begrudgingly grant you that , but these 'apparent opposites' are as much a part of the processes that you describe, and the inevitable reality of all phenomena. My point being, is that there is inherent in these phenomena a source that is not governed by the natural processes of birth, decay and death.
:
: For the life of me I can't find the
: fundamental (emphasis on 'fundamental')
: problem that cultivation proposes to
: address.
Maybe not but does that not mean that others do find that 'problem'?
:
: ***
:
: 'Nature' as co-dependently originated
: material
: (ie born;created) is subject to these
: conditions. That it is given form and
: animated
: from a source that invariably identifies
: with
: ( and is therefore able to be aware of ) the
: process it initiates, would indicate that
: the
: uncreate and the unborn source is not
: subject
: to the same conditions.
:
: Too dense for me. Unable to respond.
:
That's cool. Dig my other shit above?
:
: The only thing we can actually release from
: is
: that which we (I) am not. Therein lies
: contentment. The source/mind/tao is not
: subject to temporary conditions such as time
: and decay, and therefore is only 'found' in
: the 'moment'.
:
: I don't find anything or anywhere that we
: are not.
Really? Or are you just saying that?
:
: Where could we possibly be that would not
: be source/mind/tao?
:
: Much agony has flowed from the teaching that
: there is somewhere to be where we are not.
:
:
Indeed, and i would never dispute that.
:
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