Tao Speaks: Re: secret of the flower

Re: secret of the flower

Posted by Steve on 6/19/2009, 4:38 pm, in reply to "secret of the flower"
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: Your 'nature' sounds a bit like
: Butch's 'god' :there old bean. And it isn't
: buddhism i'm spouting there, it's fact. The
: ten-thousand 'things' are subject to decay and
: death simply by the virtue of being born. You
: can't escape from that. No matter how hard you
: try."

Yes, but you made the statement "Nature is simply decay and death," and that's what I was responding to.

Death and dying and all the other icky things of the world can be seen in a larger perspective whereby we wouldn't know life and living and growing and expansiveness without knowing their apparent opposites.

For the life of me I can't find the fundamental (emphasis on 'fundamental') problem that cultivation proposes to address.

***

: 'Nature' as co-dependently originated material
: (ie born;created) is subject to these
: conditions. That it is given form and animated
: from a source that invariably identifies with
: ( and is therefore able to be aware of ) the
: process it initiates, would indicate that the
: uncreate and the unborn source is not subject
: to the same conditions.

Too dense for me. Unable to respond.

***

: The only thing we can actually release from is
: that which we (I) am not. Therein lies
: contentment. The source/mind/tao is not
: subject to temporary conditions such as time
: and decay, and therefore is only 'found' in
: the 'moment'.

I don't find anything or anywhere that we are not.

Where could we possibly be that would not be source/mind/tao?

Much agony has flowed from the teaching that there is somewhere to be where we are not.

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An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 5:24 pm
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 6:59 pm
  - Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/17/2009, 7:19 pm
    - An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 8:06 pm
      - Re: An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 9:25 pm
        
        swinging smile - yijing qian dragon on 4th leve 6/18/2009, 1:01 am
        
        Re: swinging smile - Butcho 6/18/2009, 6:45 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/18/2009, 7:21 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 10:44 am
  - An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 11:07 am
    - a recurrent force of nature - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 3:16 pm
    - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 3:48 pm
      - TTC 16 - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 5:06 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - gar 6/18/2009, 5:27 pm
        
        reason is treason - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 4:02 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:21 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:55 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:36 pm
        
        nobody likes a smartarse - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:37 am
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:45 pm
        
        secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:47 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Steve 6/19/2009, 4:38 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:46 am
        
        Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/19/2009, 7:09 pm
        
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        Re: Secret of my success - Nina 6/22/2009, 7:32 pm
        
        helter skelter - Lian Dao 6/23/2009, 10:24 am
        
        Re: helter skelter - Nina 6/23/2009, 8:16 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - ren ying 6/20/2009, 2:12 am
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:56 am
      - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:02 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:10 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/18/2009, 9:21 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 8:38 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 10:27 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 1:32 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 2:34 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 3:12 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 9:16 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 10:03 pm
        
        An Unforced Scream Has Occurred. - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:50 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : Your 'nature' sounds a bit like : Butch's 'god' :there old bean. And it isn't : buddhism i'm spouting there, it's fact. The : ten-thousand 'things' are subject to decay : and : death simply by the virtue of being born. : You : can't escape from that. No matter how hard : you : try." : : Yes, but you made the statement "Nature : is simply decay and death," and that's : what I was responding to. : : Death and dying and all the other icky : things of the world can be seen in a larger : perspective whereby we wouldn't know life : and living and growing and expansiveness : without knowing their apparent opposites. : : For the life of me I can't find the : fundamental (emphasis on 'fundamental') : problem that cultivation proposes to : address. : : *** : : 'Nature' as co-dependently originated : material : (ie born;created) is subject to these : conditions. That it is given form and : animated : from a source that invariably identifies : with : ( and is therefore able to be aware of ) the : process it initiates, would indicate that : the : uncreate and the unborn source is not : subject : to the same conditions. : : Too dense for me. Unable to respond. : : *** : : The only thing we can actually release from : is : that which we (I) am not. Therein lies : contentment. The source/mind/tao is not : subject to temporary conditions such as time : and decay, and therefore is only 'found' in : the 'moment'. : : I don't find anything or anywhere that we : are not. : : Where could we possibly be that would not : be source/mind/tao? : : Much agony has flowed from the teaching that : there is somewhere to be where we are not. : : : : :

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