Tao Speaks: reason is treason

reason is treason

Posted by Lian Dao on 6/19/2009, 4:02 pm, in reply to "Re: TTC 16"
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--Previous Message--
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: --Previous Message--
:
: Indeed we all have individual understandings
: of what 'cultivation' means and entails,
: Nina--and therein lies much of the
: 'friction' experienced on these dao-focused
: boards, imo.
:
: Of course I have a practice. Only dead
: people don't have practices.
:
: My practice, however, doesn't involve
: 'cultivating the dao,' as 'cultivating the
: dao' is--for me--a non sequitur. In the
: same sense that it would be a non sequitur
: to say that my nose cultivates my face.
:
: I understand cultivation as the proactive
: attempt--the effort--to further the natural
: processes that define and shape
: me--intellectually, emotionally, and
: spiritually.
:
: As I read Laozi, I'm reminded that I'm best
: off when I allow nature to take its course.
: Best off when I stop trying to improve the
: universe--'universe' understood as being
: both internal and external to me.
:
:
:
: Nature is simply decay and death. i would go
: so far as to suggest that (I) am not nature
: but rather that which animates and is able
: to be aware, to whatever degree, of the
: natural processes that arise and then fall
: away.
:
: Identifying with the phenomena, whether you
: deem it internal or external to your sense
: of me-ness, merely means to cultivate a
: working knowledge of these natural
: processess that lend us a discursive notion
: of an intellectual, emotional or spiritual
: appreciation of the phenomena as it occurs
: both spatially and temporary.
:
: Whether or not one 'cultivates' or not is
: irrelevant, if we simply engage in an
: observation of the natural processes as they
: occur. What should rather be focused on is
: that which is focusing. It is a backward
: glance back to the source in the direction
: of the Tao, whose notion is return.
:
:
: Greetings Lian Dao,
:
: Well said,old boy.
:
: It seems to me that the ability to observe
: the natural processes is what separates the
: observers.
:

Or even what unites them (us)?

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Message Thread:

An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 5:24 pm
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 6:59 pm
  - Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/17/2009, 7:19 pm
    - An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 8:06 pm
      - Re: An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 9:25 pm
        
        swinging smile - yijing qian dragon on 4th leve 6/18/2009, 1:01 am
        
        Re: swinging smile - Butcho 6/18/2009, 6:45 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/18/2009, 7:21 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 10:44 am
  - An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 11:07 am
    - a recurrent force of nature - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 3:16 pm
    - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 3:48 pm
      - TTC 16 - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 5:06 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - gar 6/18/2009, 5:27 pm
        
        reason is treason - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 4:02 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:21 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:55 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:36 pm
        
        nobody likes a smartarse - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:37 am
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:45 pm
        
        secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:47 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Steve 6/19/2009, 4:38 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:46 am
        
        Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/19/2009, 7:09 pm
        
        Re: Secret of Happiness - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:51 am
        
        Re: Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/21/2009, 6:23 pm
        
        Re: Secret of my success - Lian Dao 6/22/2009, 2:43 pm
        
        Re: Secret of my success - Nina 6/22/2009, 7:32 pm
        
        helter skelter - Lian Dao 6/23/2009, 10:24 am
        
        Re: helter skelter - Nina 6/23/2009, 8:16 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - ren ying 6/20/2009, 2:12 am
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:56 am
      - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:02 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:10 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/18/2009, 9:21 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 8:38 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 10:27 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 1:32 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 2:34 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 3:12 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 9:16 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 10:03 pm
        
        An Unforced Scream Has Occurred. - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:50 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Indeed we all have individual understandings : of what 'cultivation' means and entails, : Nina--and therein lies much of the : 'friction' experienced on these dao-focused : boards, imo. : : Of course I have a practice. Only dead : people don't have practices. : : My practice, however, doesn't involve : 'cultivating the dao,' as 'cultivating the : dao' is--for me--a non sequitur. In the : same sense that it would be a non sequitur : to say that my nose cultivates my face. : : I understand cultivation as the proactive : attempt--the effort--to further the natural : processes that define and shape : me--intellectually, emotionally, and : spiritually. : : As I read Laozi, I'm reminded that I'm best : off when I allow nature to take its course. : Best off when I stop trying to improve the : universe--'universe' understood as being : both internal and external to me. : : : : Nature is simply decay and death. i would go : so far as to suggest that (I) am not nature : but rather that which animates and is able : to be aware, to whatever degree, of the : natural processes that arise and then fall : away. : : Identifying with the phenomena, whether you : deem it internal or external to your sense : of me-ness, merely means to cultivate a : working knowledge of these natural : processess that lend us a discursive notion : of an intellectual, emotional or spiritual : appreciation of the phenomena as it occurs : both spatially and temporary. : : Whether or not one 'cultivates' or not is : irrelevant, if we simply engage in an : observation of the natural processes as they : occur. What should rather be focused on is : that which is focusing. It is a backward : glance back to the source in the direction : of the Tao, whose notion is return. : : : Greetings Lian Dao, : : Well said,old boy. : : It seems to me that the ability to observe : the natural processes is what separates the : observers. : : : Or even what unites them (us)? :

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