Tao Speaks: subject to conditions

subject to conditions

Posted by Lian Dao on 6/19/2009, 3:55 pm, in reply to "Re: TTC 16"
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--Previous Message--
:
: Nature is simply decay and death. i would go
: so far as to suggest that (I) am not nature
: but rather that which animates and is able
: to be aware, to whatever degree, of the
: natural processes that arise and then fall
: away.
:
: Identifying with the phenomena, whether you
: deem it internal or external to your sense
: of me-ness, merely means to cultivate a
: working knowledge of these natural
: processess that lend us a discursive notion
: of an intellectual, emotional or spiritual
: appreciation of the phenomena as it occurs
: both spatially and temporary.
:
: Whether or not one 'cultivates' or not is
: irrelevant, if we simply engage in an
: observation of the natural processes as they
: occur. What should rather be focused on is
: that which is focusing. It is a backward
: glance back to the source in the direction
: of the Tao, whose notion is return.
:
:
: Ahhhhhh....... lovely chapter 16.
:
: I hear you, Lian Dao, about being able to
: observe what naturally happens around me.
: There's still a "me" observing it.

Your 'me' ( and 'mine') is simply the function of observation aware that it is observing. No big deal. Or as big a deal as you choose to make it actually.

:
: I also think Laozi is suggesting to me that
: I have a delightful part in the universe
: around me. All I have to do is find what
: "naturally" suits me best and
: enjoy what "naturally" suits all
: the other 10,000 things best.

It's your semblance of selfhood, your ego that is suggesting that. Why not choose to say that for yourself rather than blame Lao Tzu?

:
: But I don't cuddle up to the idea of simply
: being an observer. Is that what you're
: suggesting?
:

'You' and 'me' are observers. (I) am not.

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Message Thread:

An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 5:24 pm
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 6:59 pm
  - Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/17/2009, 7:19 pm
    - An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Nina 6/17/2009, 8:06 pm
      - Re: An Unforced Smile Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/17/2009, 9:25 pm
        
        swinging smile - yijing qian dragon on 4th leve 6/18/2009, 1:01 am
        
        Re: swinging smile - Butcho 6/18/2009, 6:45 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - gar 6/18/2009, 7:21 am
- Re: An Unforced Error Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 10:44 am
  - An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 11:07 am
    - a recurrent force of nature - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 3:16 pm
    - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 3:48 pm
      - TTC 16 - Lian Dao 6/18/2009, 5:06 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - gar 6/18/2009, 5:27 pm
        
        reason is treason - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 4:02 pm
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:21 pm
        
        subject to conditions - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:55 pm
        
        Re: subject to conditions - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:36 pm
        
        nobody likes a smartarse - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:37 am
        
        Re: TTC 16 - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:45 pm
        
        secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/19/2009, 3:47 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Steve 6/19/2009, 4:38 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:46 am
        
        Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/19/2009, 7:09 pm
        
        Re: Secret of Happiness - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:51 am
        
        Re: Secret of Happiness - Nina 6/21/2009, 6:23 pm
        
        Re: Secret of my success - Lian Dao 6/22/2009, 2:43 pm
        
        Re: Secret of my success - Nina 6/22/2009, 7:32 pm
        
        helter skelter - Lian Dao 6/23/2009, 10:24 am
        
        Re: helter skelter - Nina 6/23/2009, 8:16 pm
        
        Re: secret of the flower - ren ying 6/20/2009, 2:12 am
        
        Re: secret of the flower - Lian Dao 6/21/2009, 6:56 am
      - Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Nina 6/18/2009, 7:02 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/18/2009, 8:10 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/18/2009, 9:21 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 8:38 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 10:27 am
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 1:32 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 2:34 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 3:12 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Butcho 6/19/2009, 9:16 pm
        
        Re: An Unforced Response Has Occurred. - Steve 6/19/2009, 10:03 pm
        
        An Unforced Scream Has Occurred. - Nina 6/19/2009, 6:50 pm
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--Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Nature is simply decay and death. i would go : so far as to suggest that (I) am not nature : but rather that which animates and is able : to be aware, to whatever degree, of the : natural processes that arise and then fall : away. : : Identifying with the phenomena, whether you : deem it internal or external to your sense : of me-ness, merely means to cultivate a : working knowledge of these natural : processess that lend us a discursive notion : of an intellectual, emotional or spiritual : appreciation of the phenomena as it occurs : both spatially and temporary. : : Whether or not one 'cultivates' or not is : irrelevant, if we simply engage in an : observation of the natural processes as they : occur. What should rather be focused on is : that which is focusing. It is a backward : glance back to the source in the direction : of the Tao, whose notion is return. : : : Ahhhhhh....... lovely chapter 16. : : I hear you, Lian Dao, about being able to : observe what naturally happens around me. : There's still a "me" observing it. : : Your 'me' ( and 'mine') is simply the : function of observation aware that it is : observing. No big deal. Or as big a deal as : you choose to make it actually. : : : I also think Laozi is suggesting to me that : I have a delightful part in the universe : around me. All I have to do is find what : "naturally" suits me best and : enjoy what "naturally" suits all : the other 10,000 things best. : : It's your semblance of selfhood, your ego : that is suggesting that. Why not choose to : say that for yourself rather than blame Lao : Tzu? : : : But I don't cuddle up to the idea of simply : being an observer. Is that what you're : suggesting? : : : 'You' and 'me' are observers. (I) am not. :

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